Open 840 - Guardians of the Fortress [Game Over]

VP Baltar · Post Post #775 (ISO) » Tue Dec 28, 2021 8:30 am

In post 772, Lukewarm wrote:Then I guess that brings me back to

In post 451, Lukewarm wrote:it does not feel like he was actually trying to sort me because he was not applying these thoughts to me, the actual first voter, he seemed to be talking about it in the abstract
What is your read on me?

I'll come to a conclusion after I read. I like that you're pressing me on specifics. At the end of D1, I remember finding some of your posts a bit hard to follow, but maybe had you at lean town. I'd like to read your big posts in full and see how much I agree or disagree with your conclusions, and how you got there. That tends to help me read someone.

VP Baltar · Post Post #776 (ISO) » Tue Dec 28, 2021 8:31 am

In post 774, Aristeia wrote:Not really

it fits the worldview that I have and it also fits other worlds where I am wrong

Can I ask why you answered Luke but not me when I asked you about that post? Unless I missed it.

imaginality · Post Post #777 (ISO) » Tue Dec 28, 2021 8:41 am

Okay, first off it's beyond cheeky for VP to whinge about me posting a wall when:

-my post was a direct response to a request from Tanner (sorry should I have given fewer reasons VP is scum?)

-VP has spammed the thread with dozens of posts since that I'm now going to have to wade through at some point.

Luckily a bunch of the posts today are based around the idea he can't be scum because he proposed me and him going to the same location.

In post 722, VP Baltar wrote:
In post 718, Lukewarm wrote:
In post 700, VP Baltar wrote:I think it is kind of crazy people are even considering I'm scum since I drove D1 to arrange D2 partially around Tanner's scum reads
Can you expound on this?
Tanner wanted me and imaginality in the same game based on his scum reads, so that was the first building block I put in place when I suggested the sort.

Since he knew we were S/T rather than S/S this really doesn't earn town points for him. It's not like he was obviously more likely to be voted out than me if he gets paired with me. If we were S/S then agreeing to have Tanner's scum reads in one slot is riskier knowing we'd have to swap one out but that's obviously not the case here.

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And another quick thing. I wasn't in favour of DArby joining me and VP so that speculation about both me and VP wanting that was a big waste of time.
I proposed Toogeloo as the third in post 275 and then argued against DArby and for Tanner being the third in post 314. On the other hand VP initially proposed DArby as the third and only said 'maybe swap DArby for Tanner' so it's not like Tanner was his first pick for the third slot.

And as I mentioned in my wall, remember also VP was aiming for me, him, DArby at the Wall so if DArby is town I think DArby was the intended mislim for that mini game.

imaginality · Post Post #778 (ISO) » Tue Dec 28, 2021 8:44 am

In terms of being around for real time reactions, Tanner, I'm usually asleep around 12pm UTC to 7pm UTC, I'm off work this week so happy to coordinate with you and VP on any time that suits you both outside that.

Aristeia · Post Post #779 (ISO) » Tue Dec 28, 2021 8:46 am

In post 776, VP Baltar wrote:
In post 774, Aristeia wrote:Not really

it fits the worldview that I have and it also fits other worlds where I am wrong
Can I ask why you answered Luke but not me when I asked you about that post? Unless I missed it.

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I answered you right after you asked me.

Aristeia · Post Post #780 (ISO) » Tue Dec 28, 2021 8:48 am

In post 722, VP Baltar wrote:Tanner wanted me and imaginality in the same game based on his scum reads, so that was the first building block I put in place when I suggested the sort.

I don't understand this tbh

VP Baltar · Post Post #781 (ISO) » Tue Dec 28, 2021 8:49 am

In post 777, imaginality wrote:Since he knew we were S/T rather than S/S this really doesn't earn town points for him. It's not like he was obviously more likely to be voted out than me if he gets paired with me. If we were S/S then agreeing to have Tanner's scum reads in one slot is riskier knowing we'd have to swap one out but that's obviously not the case here.

What in the world are you even talking about. How is me agreeing to incorporate Tanner's idea an indication that I would know people's alignments? That makes no sense.

The reason I complain about your walls is because what little I have read is complete nonsense like this and you use a lot of words to say it. So now I have to go deconstruct said nonsense because, let's be real, most people glaze over at wall posts.

Also, don't act like I'm spamming the thread by answering direct questions people are asking me. Scum shading will get you nowhere darling.

VP Baltar · Post Post #782 (ISO) » Tue Dec 28, 2021 8:49 am

In post 779, Aristeia wrote:
In post 776, VP Baltar wrote:
In post 774, Aristeia wrote:Not really

it fits the worldview that I have and it also fits other worlds where I am wrong
Can I ask why you answered Luke but not me when I asked you about that post? Unless I missed it.
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I answered you right after you asked me.

I missed it then. Apologies

VP Baltar · Post Post #783 (ISO) » Tue Dec 28, 2021 8:50 am

In post 780, Aristeia wrote:
In post 722, VP Baltar wrote:Tanner wanted me and imaginality in the same game based on his scum reads, so that was the first building block I put in place when I suggested the sort.
I don't understand this tbh

What do you mean? Like why I would make that decision?

Aristeia · Post Post #784 (ISO) » Tue Dec 28, 2021 8:52 am

I don't understand your thought process

Aristeia · Post Post #785 (ISO) » Tue Dec 28, 2021 8:53 am

I'm not very bright so I would appreciate it if you could write out step by step how you made the decision.

Tanner · Post Post #786 (ISO) » Tue Dec 28, 2021 8:57 am

In post 778, imaginality wrote:In terms of being around for real time reactions, Tanner, I'm usually asleep around 12pm UTC to 7pm UTC, I'm off work this week so happy to coordinate with you and VP on any time that suits you both outside that.

alright, thanks. a little bit unfortunate considering that's around the time i wake up these days, but we'll manage.

VP Baltar · Post Post #787 (ISO) » Tue Dec 28, 2021 8:58 am

In post 784, Aristeia wrote:I don't understand your thought process

I was thinking Tanner had expressed strong feelings in thread, so it was something we could test. If Tanner is town, then I want to follow his instincts because they are much better than my own in early game. I also think the move shows my own townieness because I'm willing to go into a game based on someone else's decision. Of course, I also made the proposed move to include Tanner because then it isn't exactly what he wanted, in case he was scum.

I didn't see a lot of downside to that move and several upsides.

Tanner · Post Post #788 (ISO) » Tue Dec 28, 2021 9:00 am

In post 777, imaginality wrote:I proposed Toogeloo as the third in post 275 and then argued against DArby and for Tanner being the third in post 314. On the other hand VP initially proposed DArby as the third and only said 'maybe swap DArby for Tanner' so it's not like Tanner was his first pick for the third slot.

how is 314 arguing against darby being the third in you/vp?

Tanner · Post Post #789 (ISO) » Tue Dec 28, 2021 9:02 am

it's actually really annoying how many times during this day i wanted to say "so what is your read on me then?" to remember i'm the ic

life is pain

Aristeia · Post Post #790 (ISO) » Tue Dec 28, 2021 9:02 am

In post 787, VP Baltar wrote:If Tanner is town, then I want to follow his instincts because they are much better than my own in early game.

How did you decide that town!Tanner's instincts are much better than your own instincts in early game?

Aristeia · Post Post #791 (ISO) » Tue Dec 28, 2021 9:02 am

In post 789, Tanner wrote:it's actually really annoying how many times during this day i wanted to say "so what is your read on me then?" to remember i'm the ic

life is pain

you can still ask me!

Tanner · Post Post #792 (ISO) » Tue Dec 28, 2021 9:03 am

what is your read on me, aristeia?

Aristeia · Post Post #793 (ISO) » Tue Dec 28, 2021 9:05 am

Spoiler: Super Sekrit Tanner Read

Aristeia · Post Post #794 (ISO) » Tue Dec 28, 2021 9:07 am

btw I think you should make up your mind about when you want the first minigame to be resolved because we're ~9 days from deadline and you want time to analyze the flips, I'd say minimum 3 days for 1st flips and 3 days for 2nd flips and there's also New Year's.

Lukewarm · Post Post #795 (ISO) » Tue Dec 28, 2021 9:09 am

In post 788, Tanner wrote:
In post 777, imaginality wrote:I proposed Toogeloo as the third in post 275 and then argued against DArby and for Tanner being the third in post 314. On the other hand VP initially proposed DArby as the third and only said 'maybe swap DArby for Tanner' so it's not like Tanner was his first pick for the third slot.
how is 314 arguing against darby being the third in you/vp?

There is an interesting distinction between the two.

Baltar was okay with having you or Darby with him at either location.

Imaginaliy seemed to want you at the gate and Darby at the wall, and didn't care which him and baltar were at.

Lukewarm · Post Post #796 (ISO) » Tue Dec 28, 2021 9:10 am

I don't know what it means, but it's interesting

Tanner · Post Post #797 (ISO) » Tue Dec 28, 2021 9:11 am

Spoiler: super sekrit aristeia read

Lukewarm · Post Post #798 (ISO) » Tue Dec 28, 2021 9:11 am

Might think on that for a bit

Tanner · Post Post #799 (ISO) » Tue Dec 28, 2021 9:12 am

In post 794, Aristeia wrote:btw I think you should make up your mind about when you want the first minigame to be resolved because we're ~9 days from deadline and you want time to analyze the flips, I'd say minimum 3 days for 1st flips and 3 days for 2nd flips and there's also New Year's.

i'm aware, but my hands are kind of tied right now. because a lot will be based on the analysis-with-scum!other vp and imaginality do, and their realtime reactions with me. and those things need to happen before flips. (because, don't tell anyone, but i'm not actually super convinced by one side scumcasing what is confirmed scum to them, at least not in this gamestate.)