open 841: concgratulations to the winners and losers

[catboi]

Anyone know if there's a user-made extension to convert entire threads to PDF?

I'm swamped with end-of-year stuff at work but am hoping to read on my flight later. I'm not eager to download each page individually, but if I have to I will.

You can add &ppp=200 to the end of the url to increase the thread length (can't go higher than 200 though, I tried)

[catboi]

I had had a thought while I was out for a run that if flow trap is in fact town he is an LHF-ish player who is likely to attract votes from scum, which wouyld point to one of Mare/Datisi possibly being scum, and if there was one there I would have guessed Datisi, as I'd kind of liked Mare's 719 last night although on a reread I'm not sure it's

that

townie, and as I am catching up I am liking Datisi more and Mare less

[catboi]

(I also had the incredibly dumb idea of "what if Mare and Faker taking shots at each other was scum theater" but lmao probably not)

[skitter30]

i skipped over this originally - skitt, is this just a general read? because from what i remember of my own scumplay, my plan in the early game often was "post some nonsense, if

someone starts attacking me, pry into their read on me, poke holes in their case and argue with them

". now, i can't remember if you've *played* in any games where i've done that as scum, but i don't remember my recent scumplay reflecting what catboi said at all, so.

Not sure how to answer this/kinda just what i said earlier ... your back and forth with nsg feels weird on your end and just kinda overly defensive, and ngl it kinda seems like you're doing the bolded

er, you do get that i meant it as "attack them for it"? like, going "yeah lol i can see that" without offering any case for why they're wrong is something i never do. and how was i being defensive with nsg? like, i literally said "you are right i'm playing scummy af" how is that defensive??

i mean i feel like you're basically prying into nsg's read on you and arguign with her abt it
like yes in that post you agree with her that she has good reasons to scumread you, but you immediately follow it up with saying you're better at scum than this and that she wouldn't be scumreading you for those reasons if you were scum here:

the reason why i say this doesn't resemble either of my games is because i'm not that terrible at... faking my towngame, especially early. if i had to, i think i would be able to make up some "reads" that i'm not naturally getting right now.

which, after you agreed with her points, is defending and deflecting the scumread, but not in an 'offensive' way wher eyou're attacking her

[skitter30]

now, this might look like i am just sheeping catboi, but

VOTE: s_s

really Bad Vote (and so was catboi's tbh)

what’s wrong with the vote? voting for a low content slot is bad? no explanation?

it's cheap and easy and i don't think ss's absence this weekend (given the holiday) is ai, see the first weekend of hte micro we just played where he did the same thing over thanksgiving weekend

[catboi]

ummm I'm running into a major thing in my reads here... Datisi/Innocentvillager, do yall always interact like this when yall play together? like, I guess I'm asking like, do you 2 have a lot of history? cause there's this thing I'm noticing, and I think Innocentvillager is either scum trying to pocket datisi, or this is just how you 2 play in games together..
So if Datisi/innocentvillager could help me out here, I'd appreciate it, cause yeah, I start to question my reads when I start having a million scum points for people

I was also ready to come in and just wash my hands on Andante to say "I actually have no clue" but this feels towny? I think? I don't really trust myself here but...

[Mare]

VOTE: skitter

Hi everyone. I pretty much agree with Datisi’s thoughts on flow trap not being w/w with SS. It is more likely than not that scum has someone who was aware of SS pattern, but not guaranteed. Having meta numbers seems a little broken lol

this post kinda bothers me tonally. it feels too agreeable (ok and not just because they said I agree with Datisi)

VOTE: midwaybear

I am not saying we should not do the raids. I am saying we should let the entire game check in first.

VOTE: mirio
This post gives me tonally gross vibes

Same exact vibe which made me instantly suspect him in a previous game. Same exact slow catching up with eh takes as the previous game. Mediocre draft placement.

SirScumz strikes again.

[Mare]

Like beyond being in "catch-up mode" he literally just feels like he's posting the same kind of content in catch-up mode. It's bad!

[catboi]

Him being slow catching up isn't a tell

[Datisi]

okay, i guess it does make sense how it can be called defensive while also calling my read on nsg placating. i usually associate the word "defensive" in mafia with attacking someone for their read and calling it bad, which isn't actually what the word means.

[skitter30]

VOTE: skitter

here's a thought. i dislike the way skitter went from townreading me for ??? reasons to walking back from it. frankly it kinda mirrors the thread in a weird way. i can imagine scum!skitter starting the game off with townreading me because i'm generally a loud townspew-y player so why get into that mess when she can try to get on my good side early. but once she realized i'm *not* getting townread? "nevermind datisi isn't townie anymore".

i don't like the callouts for being "defensive" either. because she started off with agreeing with catboi that i was being conciliatory towards nsg's scumread on me (and with the implication that that's scummy), and then it turned into me being overly defensive of the scumread. don't those two things have the opposite meaning? it feels opportunistic, like she's grabbing onto the general scumreads on me before i turn them over and making sure that doesn't happen. i don't like it.

- i liked your early game, and you were giving me similar vibes to what i've often seen from early-town-you. i'm not sure tbh why you find that read to be quite shocking
- given that you *don't* think that you're being townie for you, i'm also not sure why you have a problem with me changing my mind
- in this pl you wouldn't be a high priority person to buddy for scum-me imo, i don't think i would really put much, if any, thought into trying to avoid 'getting into that mess' by 'getting on your good side early'
- if that *was* my plan i certainly wouldn't lol-reverse it just because some people are calling you scummy, i'd probably wk you ...
- i'm lowkey surprised that you think this is the tactic that i'd take as scum (particularly the bit where i'd reverse course so suddenly)
- i think you were trying to deflect nsg's scurmead but like in a non-aggressive way. it isn't 'classically' defensive but you were trying to get her a bit off of your back i think, so it read as defensive to me
-

[Mare]

Him being slow catching up isn't a tell

Like

beyond being in "catch-up mode"

he literally just feels like he's posting the same kind of content in catch-up mode. It's bad!

In case I must reiterate given the quotes: my issue is not with him catching-up.

It is with him making the same kind of read/post on someone as he did as scum.

[skitter30]

Oh fun, ok i have a lot to say on that, but give me a few hours

this rxn makes me think ur wrong Datisi regardless of her alignment

hmm? not sure what you mean

[skitter30]

In case I must reiterate given the quotes: my issue is not with him catching-up. It is with him making the same kind of read/post on someone as he did as scum.

counterpoint: slaugherhouse
literally nai

[Mare]

I dislike people who do catch-ups but I know for some people they're necessary, cool. SirCakez probably does it as both alignments but that's not really the comparison I'm trying to draw here.

[Mare]

In case I must reiterate given the quotes: my issue is not with him catching-up. It is with him making the same kind of read/post on someone as he did as scum.

counterpoint: slaugherhouse
literally nai

How is it NAI.

[Mare]

"I think this post is tonally gross!" Votes.

"This post bothers me tonally!" Votes.

[Mare]

Same shit mildly different language.

[skitter30]

really Bad Vote (and so was catboi's tbh)

I disagree fwiw, it's not a Good Vote but I have been uncharacteristically quiet for someone who normally loves fast-paced games.

sure, but i think it's a lazy vote and your behavior thus far is probably nai given holiday weekend etc

[catboi]

cakez got yeeted as town in this game which was much slower paced because he was perpetually behind: https://forum.mafiascum.net/viewtopic.php?f=2&t=87588

And a singular point of him pushing on someone in a vaguely similarly worded way is really weak

bad case

[skitter30]

You're just jealous cause you were bottom of the draft

I literally spent the entirety of the last PYP game I played correctly calling the top drafter scum

pretty sure this time the top drafter isn't

[Mare]

Don't care, was right last time and I feel the same about him so far, gonna stick with my vote.

[skitter30]

Another observation is Andante immediately jumped on the numbers when used against her to swing at everyone else/deflect.

>.>
you're feeling a bit off tbh

[skitter30]

VOTE: sleepless

SLEEPLESS!!! SLEEPLESS SCUM? 8 feels pretty safe to pick... I'm still not a fan of the "this is too much to read. see yall thursday"

My work schedule doesn't change based on alignment in mafia games. 8 hours between shifts is barely enough to sleep let alone read that many pages.

i mean absolutley true, but i'm also noting the beetlejuice

[Mare]

Another observation is Andante immediately jumped on the numbers when used against her to swing at everyone else/deflect.

>.>
you're feeling a bit off tbh

Want to slapfight me so you can figure it out sooner rather than later that I'm not off?