open 841: concgratulations to the winners and losers

[innocentvillager]

Spoiler: mare

I town.

IV why do you seem self-conscious about your number.

i just picked a number that I thought was under picked

don’t think many people have picked 10 if not ever in the games I saw

Dunno this just sounds weirdly vulnerable compared to your posts so far.

Shrug.

Also, FWIW I’m of the opinion that scum are almost always going to try for a high or middling number. The benefit of WIFOM exists but it seems useless when you can just get caught by the PRs you’re handing over to town.

i just picked a number that I thought was under picked

don’t think many people have picked 10 if not ever in the games I saw

Dunno this just sounds weirdly vulnerable compared to your posts so far.

Shrug.

well everyone was talking about their numbers and picks and shit and I wanted to jump into the discussion

for example, I thought it was unlikely scum chose both 8 and 9, but knowing SS always chooses 9 I may need to rethink this thought a little

pedit: skitter dw I’m obvtown

I don’t... really think this a real passing thought you had.

It’s just one of those awkward sounding things that feels like you’re making up thoughts to tell us.

mare why do u think that faker post was scummy?

I don’t.

I wanted to add something like *condescending movie-like face pat* or something but that felt too weird.

It’s just one of those awkward sounding things that feels like you’re making up thoughts to tell us.

ok well I don’t really know how to respond to something like this

let me know if you think of something more specific

I mean, if you want me to nail down the exact, “rethink this thought” is strange.

Amd why mare?

I just woke up and decided my vote wasn't doing much. I did not think 78 was a real process.

I believe I answered your other question already in a response to Datisi.

If anything I think my point stands more given the spat of energetic posting IV made following.

If anything I think my point stands more given the spat of energetic posting IV made following.

The few games I have seen of IV (9:12 and a few specced) lead me to lean that towards both his initial statements and the followups being very NAI.

Normally I don't like to go out of my way to say this, but you seem to be want me to reassess and engage directly with the attack in a substantive way, so I will humor you.

I’m rarely in a mood to play in a more... direct way rather than fleeting thoughts, but I am this game, so it felt important to press down on something for once.

That being said, IV made a post about what scum would subconsciously do rather than just basic “scum doesn’t do this because it looks bad” which is something that appeals to me and I think less likely to come from scum.

(In an effort not to clutter as much myself, @IV, the spewing wasn’t clutter.)

UNVOTE:

Also, given the meme/fun numbers of the last set’s iteration and this one, scum team’s probably taking it seriously/coordinating what they do together more than an average team might.

My new wack theory is midway/flow are scum together, midway came into the game agreeing with a very specific thought because it was on his mind because scum did in fact pick a number to sabotage a townie and look a little better/out of the spotlight.

I don’t... really think this a real passing thought you had.

Why not

Already explained.

Mare, I have spoken in several different games of my intentionality in interacting with you to either shut you out of the game or to stay out of your way. It should be obvious that I intend to do neither this game.

However, in previous iterations (ex. Slaughter Hour) your response has been to be (rightfully) extremely skeptical of my intentions and to steer clear as much as possible. Your only real post about me that game came to warn off someone townreading me for tilt, and you only quoted someone else rather than added any commentary of your own.

I don't see the same skepticism of my intent here. I am very happy voting you.

I don’t have a reason to be skeptical yet and I’m not going to waste my energy on it until you do something worth skepticism. There are other people who are currently worth it and you’re not.

If you want me to do the little song and dance I do going oh, you’re so stupid, nice try reading me and failing again, I’m... really not interested in acting like that this game.

I don’t have a reason to be skeptical yet and I’m not going to waste my energy on it until you do something worth skepticism. There are other people who are currently worth it and you’re not.

Weird, considering I've exploited the assumption of good will before and you've correctly adapted to it before.

Responding to your latest post, I am critiquing your

leaning into

the dance rather than cautiously away.

I don't really want to match your tone here, and I don't think it's NAI, but I think going out of your way across multiple posts to suggest I am not worth effort is disappointing.

I mean, I wanted to push a point I felt was important at the time. It didn’t really matter the past treatment or the weird distance in games.

You’re not worth the effort of a scumread currently, which... don’t really think is worth disappointment. Of interacting/as a whole you are or else I wouldn’t attempt to interact with you. I thought that was clear but it probably wasn’t, apologies.

Hard disagree on Cakez. Felt pretty insubstantial so far.

Huh. To me, if someone comes out of the gate thinking I’m scum on entrance I think I’d personally want to know why like... immediately. And then discern from there.

if i had thought the scumread is uncalled for, i'd have called her out and demanded explanation.

what is this conversation telling you?

That I think your way of thinking is different to mine, I find it strange, and that I’m going to read closer into you as the game goes but for right now it’s *enough*.

Don't care, was right last time and I feel the same about him so far, gonna stick with my vote.

Another observation is Andante immediately jumped on the numbers when used against her to swing at everyone else/deflect.

>.>
you're feeling a bit off tbh

Want to slapfight me so you can figure it out sooner rather than later that I'm not off?

Okay, my counterpoint:

I viscerally felt that SirCakez was scum from the moment he began posting in a previous game. I cop checked him N1 and he was elimmed the next day.

Why should I ignore it when I get the same exact feeling from his posts here? Should I not immediately press on something familiar when I am familiar with it as scum?

And, let me say, once more.

I really don't give a fuck if he's catching up. People do it. I dislike it. Whatever.

I dislike what he's saying.

Like you want to be ? but you're sitting here saying that he hasn't done anything AI which is patently false soooo.

VOTE: Skitter30

Nope, not born out of nothing.

Still sticking by my read, don't care about the other posts in town games. Way he worded it was the same.

Distancing from his own ideas.

I think Mare is coming off worse here mostly because I don't get why she's this up in arms over disagreement on a read ¯\_(ツ)_/¯

Because it's going to turn out again like the last game where my thoughts on things are weird, until there is basis in mechanical action, etc etc. It's frustrating and unfun when I try to play like this again and again and I am consistently felt out as weird despite trying to apply myself to the game in a different way.

So, fuck it, doubling down on the stuff that I think is right.

mare are you ok?

Shrug.

Gonna leave for now.

VOTE: Mare

ok i hope things get better soon <3
maybe let's try this again tomorrow

UNVOTE:

Thoughts on mare?

--
Also i'm kinda meh on pooky but not sure its ai for him

Lets wagon mare!

Skitter's opportunistic scum. Second place in draft too.

Cakez is OMGUSing me for a bad push when he's reading Pooky the same way.

I wanna vote Mare out solely for selfing, after going on about how we hate when people are catching up...like, pooky is scum, but idk what mare is doing?? saving pooky?

This can be scum too for egregiously misrepresenting my posts in which I have repeatedly expressed that I dislike catch-ups on a personal level, but was voting Cakez for content.

Ok i do kinda object to that characterization tho ...

Don't care. You went from "take this up tomorrow" to "okay wagon time" without blinking.

And it's with an upswing of more people saying they want to kill me, so just go ahead and vote me, and when I flip town my grave will be a fucking arrow pointed at you.

Go on.

[innocentvillager]

iv why do *you* think faker is town

as opposed to why someone else thinks faker is town? or my scumbuddies? why the emphasis on *you*

[innocentvillager]

that was rly weird emphasis and im not embarrassed to say that it pinged me as like not a real question you cared about

[Datisi]

bc i asked skitter the same thing earlier

and the emphasis is meant to show that the idea isn't "i'm looking to townread faker" it's "i'm trying to figure out people's reasons for townreading faker to try to read them"

[innocentvillager]

well anyway

also weak vibe read

faker seems p similar to micro 9:12 although tbf i was scum there so not like super trying to read

also from what i know meta wise he just has a more null style that reads a bit stubborn and there's enough proactive contribution from him that i feel ok for now but it's a weak read i haven't seem scum!faker

[Andante]

Spoiler: mare

I town.

IV why do you seem self-conscious about your number.

i just picked a number that I thought was under picked

don’t think many people have picked 10 if not ever in the games I saw

Dunno this just sounds weirdly vulnerable compared to your posts so far.

Shrug.

Also, FWIW I’m of the opinion that scum are almost always going to try for a high or middling number. The benefit of WIFOM exists but it seems useless when you can just get caught by the PRs you’re handing over to town.

i just picked a number that I thought was under picked

don’t think many people have picked 10 if not ever in the games I saw

Dunno this just sounds weirdly vulnerable compared to your posts so far.

Shrug.

well everyone was talking about their numbers and picks and shit and I wanted to jump into the discussion

for example, I thought it was unlikely scum chose both 8 and 9, but knowing SS always chooses 9 I may need to rethink this thought a little

pedit: skitter dw I’m obvtown

I don’t... really think this a real passing thought you had.

It’s just one of those awkward sounding things that feels like you’re making up thoughts to tell us.

mare why do u think that faker post was scummy?

I don’t.

I wanted to add something like *condescending movie-like face pat* or something but that felt too weird.

It’s just one of those awkward sounding things that feels like you’re making up thoughts to tell us.

ok well I don’t really know how to respond to something like this

let me know if you think of something more specific

I mean, if you want me to nail down the exact, “rethink this thought” is strange.

Amd why mare?

I just woke up and decided my vote wasn't doing much. I did not think 78 was a real process.

I believe I answered your other question already in a response to Datisi.

If anything I think my point stands more given the spat of energetic posting IV made following.

If anything I think my point stands more given the spat of energetic posting IV made following.

The few games I have seen of IV (9:12 and a few specced) lead me to lean that towards both his initial statements and the followups being very NAI.

Normally I don't like to go out of my way to say this, but you seem to be want me to reassess and engage directly with the attack in a substantive way, so I will humor you.

I’m rarely in a mood to play in a more... direct way rather than fleeting thoughts, but I am this game, so it felt important to press down on something for once.

That being said, IV made a post about what scum would subconsciously do rather than just basic “scum doesn’t do this because it looks bad” which is something that appeals to me and I think less likely to come from scum.

(In an effort not to clutter as much myself, @IV, the spewing wasn’t clutter.)

UNVOTE:

Also, given the meme/fun numbers of the last set’s iteration and this one, scum team’s probably taking it seriously/coordinating what they do together more than an average team might.

My new wack theory is midway/flow are scum together, midway came into the game agreeing with a very specific thought because it was on his mind because scum did in fact pick a number to sabotage a townie and look a little better/out of the spotlight.

I don’t... really think this a real passing thought you had.

Why not

Already explained.

Mare, I have spoken in several different games of my intentionality in interacting with you to either shut you out of the game or to stay out of your way. It should be obvious that I intend to do neither this game.

However, in previous iterations (ex. Slaughter Hour) your response has been to be (rightfully) extremely skeptical of my intentions and to steer clear as much as possible. Your only real post about me that game came to warn off someone townreading me for tilt, and you only quoted someone else rather than added any commentary of your own.

I don't see the same skepticism of my intent here. I am very happy voting you.

I don’t have a reason to be skeptical yet and I’m not going to waste my energy on it until you do something worth skepticism. There are other people who are currently worth it and you’re not.

If you want me to do the little song and dance I do going oh, you’re so stupid, nice try reading me and failing again, I’m... really not interested in acting like that this game.

I don’t have a reason to be skeptical yet and I’m not going to waste my energy on it until you do something worth skepticism. There are other people who are currently worth it and you’re not.

Weird, considering I've exploited the assumption of good will before and you've correctly adapted to it before.

Responding to your latest post, I am critiquing your

leaning into

the dance rather than cautiously away.

I don't really want to match your tone here, and I don't think it's NAI, but I think going out of your way across multiple posts to suggest I am not worth effort is disappointing.

I mean, I wanted to push a point I felt was important at the time. It didn’t really matter the past treatment or the weird distance in games.

You’re not worth the effort of a scumread currently, which... don’t really think is worth disappointment. Of interacting/as a whole you are or else I wouldn’t attempt to interact with you. I thought that was clear but it probably wasn’t, apologies.

Hard disagree on Cakez. Felt pretty insubstantial so far.

Huh. To me, if someone comes out of the gate thinking I’m scum on entrance I think I’d personally want to know why like... immediately. And then discern from there.

if i had thought the scumread is uncalled for, i'd have called her out and demanded explanation.

what is this conversation telling you?

That I think your way of thinking is different to mine, I find it strange, and that I’m going to read closer into you as the game goes but for right now it’s *enough*.

Don't care, was right last time and I feel the same about him so far, gonna stick with my vote.

Another observation is Andante immediately jumped on the numbers when used against her to swing at everyone else/deflect.

>.>
you're feeling a bit off tbh

Want to slapfight me so you can figure it out sooner rather than later that I'm not off?

Okay, my counterpoint:

I viscerally felt that SirCakez was scum from the moment he began posting in a previous game. I cop checked him N1 and he was elimmed the next day.

Why should I ignore it when I get the same exact feeling from his posts here? Should I not immediately press on something familiar when I am familiar with it as scum?

And, let me say, once more.

I really don't give a fuck if he's catching up. People do it. I dislike it. Whatever.

I dislike what he's saying.

Like you want to be ? but you're sitting here saying that he hasn't done anything AI which is patently false soooo.

VOTE: Skitter30

Nope, not born out of nothing.

Still sticking by my read, don't care about the other posts in town games. Way he worded it was the same.

Distancing from his own ideas.

I think Mare is coming off worse here mostly because I don't get why she's this up in arms over disagreement on a read ¯\_(ツ)_/¯

Because it's going to turn out again like the last game where my thoughts on things are weird, until there is basis in mechanical action, etc etc. It's frustrating and unfun when I try to play like this again and again and I am consistently felt out as weird despite trying to apply myself to the game in a different way.

So, fuck it, doubling down on the stuff that I think is right.

mare are you ok?

Shrug.

Gonna leave for now.

VOTE: Mare

ok i hope things get better soon <3
maybe let's try this again tomorrow

UNVOTE:

Thoughts on mare?

--
Also i'm kinda meh on pooky but not sure its ai for him

Lets wagon mare!

Skitter's opportunistic scum. Second place in draft too.

Cakez is OMGUSing me for a bad push when he's reading Pooky the same way.

I wanna vote Mare out solely for selfing, after going on about how we hate when people are catching up...like, pooky is scum, but idk what mare is doing?? saving pooky?

This can be scum too for egregiously misrepresenting my posts in which I have repeatedly expressed that I dislike catch-ups on a personal level, but was voting Cakez for content.

Ok i do kinda object to that characterization tho ...

Don't care. You went from "take this up tomorrow" to "okay wagon time" without blinking.

And it's with an upswing of more people saying they want to kill me, so just go ahead and vote me, and when I flip town my grave will be a fucking arrow pointed at you.

Go on.

Ok hold up, so you went through and quoted towny stuff? you quoted mare asking about a slapfight with skitter? And the anger self vote stuff? I seriously don't see how any of this makes mare obvtown. Like, asking someone if they want to fight? "OMG just vote me" like, sure it can come from town, but when that's all there is? I have an issue with you calling all this obv town. Like, obvtown cause you're scum and know mare is town? I see nothing about this that makes her obviously town. There's nothing game related here...And when is the last time you saw town purposely trying to fight people in thread? Fights aren't towny

[Andante]

that was rly weird emphasis and im not embarrassed to say that it pinged me as like not a real question you cared about

what's wrong with asking why *you* tr/sr someone? like, it emhasizes. YOU, and not the reason others are throwing around

[Andante]

Datisi, I'm honestly not really vibing with IV's Mare tr, it's not an actual reason and feels like it stems from TMI, what are your thoughts with how IV is calling mare obvtown...

[Andante]

VOTE: innocentvillager

[innocentvillager]

you have your interpretation of what's towny and i have mine

pedit: he's asking me so inherently it's my thoughts? and even if it's originally someone else's thought i can still agree with it and be my thought

if you don't think it's weird then it's probably not, anyways datisi's explanation was fine

[Something_Smart]

I don't TR pooky, you're kinda making it sound like you do? what're your thoughts on Pooky?

I have no read on Pooky beyond "collided = > rand town", I will probably remain that way for quite some time because I have a shite record of reading him.

[innocentvillager]

ok keep wasting your time tunneling obvtown thats ok too

[innocentvillager]

just because we play differently and have different styles of reading doesnt make me scum tmi'ing someone

[innocentvillager]

also faker's towniest post is his first post of the game that's probalby why im currently anchored to faker town

[Andante]

I don't TR pooky, you're kinda making it sound like you do? what're your thoughts on Pooky?

I have no read on Pooky beyond "collided = > rand town", I will probably remain that way for quite some time because I have a shite record of reading him.

lol alright, I usually just guess half the time, "There's nothing wrong with pushing Pooky, but.." had me thinking you had some sort of genuine read there

[Something_Smart]

On further reflection cakez is probably town for going after pooky because the last time he tried to do it as scum pooky ripped his head off

Seems legit. What game was that, btw? I haven't played against scum-Cakez in a

long

time.

[Datisi]

Datisi, I'm honestly not really vibing with IV's Mare tr, it's not an actual reason and feels like it stems from TMI, what are your thoughts with how IV is calling mare obvtown...

considering my own read is also close to "idk mare is pretty tonally townie" i can't really scumread him for it lol

you got a read on me at this point?

[Andante]

just because we play differently and have different styles of reading doesnt make me scum tmi'ing someone

Well I'm referring to the fact mare has basically 0 game related lines, nothing mare said is hard to fake as scum, you're calling it obvtown, and if you can't see why I don't agree.. idk what to say there. I don't tr someone off emotion, I look at reads and what they've done, I know we play differently, a lot differently, I think we already established that. But I don't like the reasoning for mare being obv town here, and with basically no explanation. You didn't seem happy when I asked for specific lines, didn't look like you were actually trying to convince me mare town. thus you quoted her entire ISO... and gave no thoughts about specific things

[Andante]

Datisi, I'm honestly not really vibing with IV's Mare tr, it's not an actual reason and feels like it stems from TMI, what are your thoughts with how IV is calling mare obvtown...

considering my own read is also close to "idk mare is pretty tonally townie" i can't really scumread him for it lol

you got a read on me at this point?

You don't think anything of the lack of explanation there? like if you think someone is obvtown, you should have some kind of conviction there, not just "here's the entire iso" "mare is obvtown" I clearly have a question on why mare is so towny, and why cake is a tr, the answer I got to both those questions don't help me see them as more town. Do you see where I'm going with this?

and umm still don't sr you yet

[innocentvillager]

yea because i didn't rly want to effort and i figured this would be your reaction anyway

my goal wasn't rly to convince you mare is town u either see it or you don't (to be clear not saying im seeing the correct thing and you're missing it, just what i see) it was more just to respond to your question you kept asking me about

[innocentvillager]

how did the cakez one not help? i just told you what i think of his meta

[innocentvillager]

look you asked me for *MY* personal feelings on why they are town

and you're pushing me for not properly convincing you on them?

idgi

[Datisi]

Do you see where I'm going with this?

and umm still don't sr you yet

kinda? but also i don't think it's scum! indicative for iv so yeah

why do you keep saying "yet"?

[Datisi]

this conversation is lowkey tanking my read of andante, feels like scum who saw a townie not feeling like backing up their read in detail and is now trying to make everyone see it as scummy

[Datisi]

don't know if it overrides the points for effort i felt from her earlier but like yeah