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When you originally asked me, I was thinking more about imaginality's 691, not 971.I have a GTKAS now! - Come ask me questions!
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mmm, there is one more thing i did specifically have in mind, but i'm mulling over if i need both you and imaginality to be around or just you.In post 1023, VP Baltar wrote:Tanner, I thought you wanted to jam on some stuff? I'm still around
okay, i think you disagreed with me on my idea that the wall should go first. you want keep, right? if it were up to you, who votes whom there?your eyes on the city.- imaginality
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These posts are interesting since they show you have a +town read of VP for wanting to be at the same location as you. So VP could have taken that into account when we decided the locations.In post 992, Tanner wrote:
this is a post that i myself did write a week ago i GUESSIn post 61, Tanner wrote:i think it's likely baltar is townie too. 11, 49, and 57 are obviously angling to go to the same location as me. he knows how paranoid i get of him and how i'm sometimes prone to think he's scum for most bullshit reasons, see that pick your poison game. so unless he's the same petty asshole i am, he's probably town.
do you remember what the idea was behind this post?In post 142, VP Baltar wrote:
Going to the gate means you don't have to do thatIn post 141, Tanner wrote:i'm starting to wonder why did i even /in into this game, considering i utterly hate lylos as town and have never won one when i was the deciding vote. i think i might really be a masochist.
I'd also note here that VP first proposed me+him+DArby/Pav, Tanner was just listed as an alternative. And from a scum!VP perspective DArby/Pav is very much mislim bait if town. So if DArby/Pav is town, VP's first option was what he himself says is a 'way easier scenario' and his backup option was a player who he knows will town read him for being at the same location. Flipping Keep first will confirm if DArby/Pav is town or not.In post 1019, VP Baltar wrote:
Yeah, that scenario sounds way easier. I would just IC imaginality and then get the easier player tossed. How is that not a way easier scenario than going into a situation with someone who regularly grills me in games where I am town?In post 1015, Lukewarm wrote:Would scum!Baltar really want to place himself at the gate with him + imaginality + miselim bait, and be foreced to IC either imaginality or miselim bait over Tanner?- imaginality
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I'm still around. Do you want me to answer this also?In post 1026, Tanner wrote:
mmm, there is one more thing i did specifically have in mind, but i'm mulling over if i need both you and imaginality to be around or just you.In post 1023, VP Baltar wrote:Tanner, I thought you wanted to jam on some stuff? I'm still around
okay, i think you disagreed with me on my idea that the wall should go first. you want keep, right? if it were up to you, who votes whom there?- Tanner
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that is what i wanted you to look at - i know they're gonna call each other scum, i wanted you to tell me what you think about their points on people other than their 1v1 buddy.In post 1024, Lukewarm wrote:971 does not have a VP case in it, it is an assosiative post - But I did really like imaginality's associative points in here. I found myself nodding along to all of it, and the final conclusion matched about my own reads. Ari town, pav scum in the keep. Implo town at the wall.
now that you mention it, baltar's cases aren't really associate-based. except for that other thing that he said he'll present and i can't remember right now if he has or hasn't done that because memory of a goldfish, butyour eyes on the city.- Tanner
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You have both presented scum and town cases across games. Like I mentioned to tanner, I kinda planned on doing a hard sort of the two of you once the wall flipped. Or, if at any point we started leaning towards the keep flipping first sitting down to do an if x then y post based on how the keep flipped. (but he asked me for my thoughts right now)In post 1022, VP Baltar wrote:I'm not even super interested in making a giant case about him because it's kind of pointless. This is why I'm saying people need to look at actual actions in the game and who is trying to effectively solve. Motive is the guiding light here.
Pre flips I am leaning you>imaginality but it is not a hard read. You are looking pretty unpartnered with Ari here, so my if x then y post would probably say that an ari scum flip = town baltar. Don't think that a Pav scum flip would sway my reads in the Gate thoI have a GTKAS now! - Come ask me questions!
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I have not. Going to get to that shortly.In post 1031, Tanner wrote:ok, i don't think he did.YOUR AD HERE- Aristeia
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It's not just about the fact that Luke is scum that makes me think Implo is scum with him.In post 1001, Tanner wrote:
was this ever explained *why* you thought so?In post 906, Aristeia wrote:but if Luke is scum I want Implosion/VPB to die.
It is how Implosion is approaching the Keep in general.
I can see why he would think Luke is the towniest but I can't quite get to how he thinks Pavo is townier than me or that I am asking questions performatively.
It's an extremely uncharitable reading of my questioning of VPB. One that he can't back up when I dig into the details of exactly why he finds my questioning to be scummy.
When i describe my motives and reasoning he says those are logical and sound but its the lack of read updates that is scummy.
He says I should be updating my reads based on my questioning but when I ask him when this should have happened he seems to back off so I don't think he actually took the time to read thru my dialogue with vpb and actually evaluate whether I should be satsified with VPB's answers.
This is important in the context of Luke-scum because if Luke is scum here, Implosion can't just say "luke is the towniest" and let that stand. He also has to shade me as the scummiest in the Keep.
The reason behind this is how Implo thinks the Keep should be played; he thinks the town should decide who is scummiest and make that person vote. So if Pavo is collectively decided to be the scummiest, there is a real chance Pavo votes me instead of Luke and that will result in a town win despite all of Luke's efforts. Whereas if I am shaded as the scummiest he thinks I will vote for Luke as I am townreading Luke much more than Pavo.
For the VPB part, if Implo/Luke are scum, I doubt Imaginality ends up at the Gate - Baltar is a stronger 1v1 player than Imaginality and I think it would make much more sense for a Imag/Luke/Implo team to send either Luke or Implo to Gate for 1v1 rather than Imag.
Also if Luke flips scum, his slip about Imaginality being confirmed town from Baltar's POV would feel much more like a real scum slip.
Also the reasons for Implo to townread VPB feel extremely weak,
when called out he says something about tunneling on the dumb tell which doesn't make sense to me as you had just said VPB fake dumbtelled in a previous game.
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My instinct is to make the other two vote luke. Ari has said she would vote there if you asked. I think she was playing a game of chicken.In post 1026, Tanner wrote:okay, i think you disagreed with me on my idea that the wall should go first. you want keep, right? if it were up to you, who votes whom there?YOUR AD HERE- Tanner
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can you link what specifically you're referring to here?In post 1034, Aristeia wrote:He says I should be updating my reads based on my questioning but when I ask him when this should have happened he seems to back offyour eyes on the city.- Tanner
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sure, why not. up to you, who votes whom in the keep?In post 1028, imaginality wrote:Do you want me to answer this also?your eyes on the city.- Aristeia
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Do you feel any of the responses to my questions have been satisfactory enough to warrant me changing my reads?In post 955, implosion wrote:And yeah I get that you have reasons for asking these questions. The point is just that I haven't felt like I've been able to clearly see that you're actually updating your read of the gamestate in response to them, rather than just asking them for the sake of doing stuff.- imaginality
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In post 964, Aristeia wrote:my line of questioning to VPB:
Me: why should tanner be able to townread you?
vpb: because I am doing things with a protown mindset.
Me: What is something you've done with a protown mindset?
Vpb: my sort is kickass and makes me obvtown
Me: Explain how.
Tell me at which point I should have been satsified with his "answers"- Tanner
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If I get forced to vote, I'm polling the room and voting with the majority. I am not gonna be responsible for blowing the Keep when I'm really struggling with these two.In post 1040, imaginality wrote:I feel surest about Ari being town and Luke has said he thinks Ari's town so if it's entirely my call I'd get Luke to vote Ari.
If we do the 'get the scummiest player to choose who to vote' thing I'd get Pav to choose between the other two.
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Trust your instincts, you handsome devilIn post 1042, Tanner wrote:if i really were to meme this game i'd say that in the keep, y'all should vote Pav, Actually
but the issue is, i do still feel some little bit of being not terribad at reading pav, and right now he's not posted enough Quality to make me think he's townie- numberQ
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ok i just realized that i've been staring at this game for the last 3 hours and that i uhhh forgot to eat dinner lmao i'm gonna do that now
i have the thing typed up in my notes so when baltar does whatever it was that i asked him to do and when my gate comrades both say they're here, i'm gonna post it
after typing it up i realized it makes absolutely no sense but i am not known for making cases that make senseyour eyes on the city.- imaginality
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I am gonna need a hell of a town case on Pav before this is considered lolIn post 1042, Tanner wrote:if i really were to meme this game i'd say that in the keep, y'all should vote Pav, Actually
but the issue is, i do still feel some little bit of being not terribad at reading pav, and right now he's not posted enough Quality to make me think he's townie
I think if you said that one of us should vote pav that, atm at least, I would hope to get my own vote in voting for Ari before she logged on and got a chance to vote Pav.I have a GTKAS now! - Come ask me questions!
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What.In post 1048, Lukewarm wrote:
I am gonna need a hell of a town case on Pav before this is considered lolIn post 1042, Tanner wrote:if i really were to meme this game i'd say that in the keep, y'all should vote Pav, Actually
but the issue is, i do still feel some little bit of being not terribad at reading pav, and right now he's not posted enough Quality to make me think he's townie
I think if you said that one of us should vote pav that, atm at least, I would hope to get my own vote in voting for Ari before she logged on and got a chance to vote Pav.
In what world does Ari, after you have voted for her, do anything besides self-hammer?
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