Open 840 - Guardians of the Fortress [Game Over]

[Pavowski]

Yeet.

[Lukewarm]

That's the point?

[Pavowski]

That's the point?

Rock, paper, scissors, right now, Luke. Loser votes the other.

[Lukewarm]

If Tanner tells me and Ari to vote for you, I am pretty sure that Ari will do it, so I feel like I would need to prempt that atm

[Pavowski]

If Tanner tells me and Ari to vote for you, I am pretty sure that Ari will do it, so I feel like I would need to prempt that atm

You know, this reminds me of your tunnel on Val in that game.

It's almost enough to actually convince me you're town, despite being so spectacularly wrong on me.

[Lukewarm]

I feel surest about Ari being town and Luke has said he thinks Ari's town so if it's entirely my call I'd get Luke to vote Ari.
If we do the 'get the scummiest player to choose who to vote' thing I'd get Pav to choose between the other two.

If I get forced to vote, I'm polling the room and voting with the majority. I am not gonna be responsible for blowing the Keep when I'm really struggling with these two.

You can hold me to this.

And, I can see why you might think this would make you seem townie, but this does not ke me feel better about you here. Basically it feels like you are avoiding committing to a read on either one of us :/

[Tanner]

pav, should i be concerned that your response to my "i lowkey want pav voted but he hasn't convinced me he's town" was basically "lol you should do it tho"

[VP Baltar]

ok, Tanner, this might be kind of jumbled because it was kind of a vibey thing I was picking up last night as I was rereading, but I'm going to pull some of these posts between Ari and imaginality that just hit me as partnery or Ari trying to weasel into a power position.

We don't have to get scum here, we just have to find town. This is easy and makes me think even more that Luke is scum, because I know he thinks (knows) he can look townier than me.

?

If you think Luke is scum why wouldn't you just vote for me?

Do you think Luke is bluffing about voting for me to convince you to vote for him?

Luke does seem very earnest and honest though

These posts came across as buddying up to Luke and/or trying to leverage the fight between Pav and Luke to get a vote with a direct ask from Pav.

gosh it would really be quite cheeky of Luke to steal Tanner's spot in the keep and then pocket me and get me to vote for him.

mmmmhmm

Here Ari is doing her cutesy schtick with Luke.

I don't think I'm going to vote unless Tanner tells me it's ok to trust that person

Now Ari says she's not going to vote unless Tanner says so. (this is important in a bit).

In post 468, Aristeia wrote:

In post 463, Pavowski wrote:
We don't have to get scum here, we just have to find town. This is easy and makes me think even more that Luke is scum, because I know he thinks (knows) he can look townier than me.


?

If you think Luke is scum why wouldn't you just vote for me?

Do you think Luke is bluffing about voting for me to convince you to vote for him?

@Ari, it sounds from this like you think Pav should have the voting power in Keep rather than you or Luke, is that right?

This read to me like imaginality trying to nudge the game to put the deciding vote in Pav's hands, just as Pav and Luke were kind of calling each other scummy. In my notes, I described this as "seed planting". To me, the idea here is to try to set up Ari!scum the best possible chance to get the vote by leveraging Luke and Pav's distrust for each other. It's a subtle thing and I could be tinfoiling, but I really don't understand the point of imaginality's question. It's not scumhunting. So what's the point of it?

@Ari, it sounds from this like you think Pav should have the voting power in Keep rather than you or Luke, is that right?

I don't think of the Keep that way.

If I get to 100% sure of the solution I will not hesitate to vote.

This is how Ari responds to that post from imaginality...and this is kind of key because now Ari is saying she'll vote when she's sure of her reads. Well that runs in complete contradiction to just earlier when she said she would only vote who Tanner said. I think Ari is trying to sound pro-town by saying she'll let Tanner decide, but in reality, she is looking for whatever angle she can get to win.

Imaginality how prepared would you say you were for this 1v1?

This comment from Ari also struck me as weird. It's a complete softball meant to make imaginality look like he is some weakling against big bad VP. I don't see how this question is helping Ari determine alignments. Again, I would see this as Imaginality and Ari trying to shape public opinion around in each other in a positive way that helps the other win their games.

This is subtle stuff and maybe I'm confbiasing myself since I know imaginality is scum, but their actions toward each other don't read like there is town!Ari in the mix. It is coordinated and kid gloves.

[VP Baltar]

I probably should at some point run a complete counter scenario to see if I'm being biased. Something like a team of imaginality-pav-implosion or something.

[RH9]

Anybody want anything from me?

[Pavowski]

pav, should i be concerned that your response to my "i lowkey want pav voted but he hasn't convinced me he's town" was basically "lol you should do it tho"

Absolutely not. I think you can feel the townvibes coming off me, but you're (rightly) nervous to take the leap.

Consider all the baggage I inherited and how little traction I've gotten in throwing off those scumreads. Am I really going to change anybody's mind at this point? I'm obviously not changing Luke's; he just said he'd vote Ari even if you wanted both of them to vote me. People are locked into their reads on me. It is what it is.

A vote for me wins the keep, and then you get a flipped Luke or Ari scum to sort the rest. This is the way.

Well, it's *a* way. The other ways are 50/50.

[Tanner]

read the game, give a solve, or at least weigh in on every single minigame

so like yes lol what kinda question is that

pedit: @rh9

[Pavowski]

Anybody want anything from me?

Welcome to the party!

[VP Baltar]

I feel surest about Ari being town and Luke has said he thinks Ari's town so if it's entirely my call I'd get Luke to vote Ari.
If we do the 'get the scummiest player to choose who to vote' thing I'd get Pav to choose between the other two.

Yeah, to my post above, this is exactly what I'm saying.

Imaginality in an amazing feat, succinctly says the exact thing I thought he was trying to nudge the game toward. lol

[Tanner]

this is not really game related but i've been thinking about it for a bit - baltar's avatar is really aesthetically pleasing when paired with the sepia forum skin i have on this account

[Lukewarm]

Anybody want anything from me?

Welcome to the game!

This is a weird entrance! Lol

[VP Baltar]

this is not really game related but i've been thinking about it for a bit - baltar's avatar is really aesthetically pleasing when paired with the sepia forum skin i have on this account

haha. I swear my avi makes people think I'm an asshole. So this is good news.

I'm around btw if you want to do your thing.

[Tanner]

i want a detailed solve on my desk by tomorrow morning

[Tanner]

*summoning imaginality*

[Pavowski]

haha. I swear my avi makes people think I'm an asshole. So this is good news.

You know, it does kinda, even though I like the avatar and you seem like a good dude. I think it's the cigarette.

Me, I can only blame my behavior and the fact that I am, in fact, an asshole

[Tanner]

meh, while we wait - baltar, if we're to flip keep first. would any flip in the keep have a significant effect on your read of the wall?

[Pavowski]

*summoning imaginality*

Ok, I lol'd

[Lukewarm]

Pav is there a reason you ignored 1055, and instead just responded to/with a bunch of fluff ?

[Aristeia]

ok, Tanner, this might be kind of jumbled because it was kind of a vibey thing I was picking up last night as I was rereading, but I'm going to pull some of these posts between Ari and imaginality that just hit me as partnery or Ari trying to weasel into a power position.

We don't have to get scum here, we just have to find town. This is easy and makes me think even more that Luke is scum, because I know he thinks (knows) he can look townier than me.

?

If you think Luke is scum why wouldn't you just vote for me?

Do you think Luke is bluffing about voting for me to convince you to vote for him?

Luke does seem very earnest and honest though

These posts came across as buddying up to Luke and/or trying to leverage the fight between Pav and Luke to get a vote with a direct ask from Pav.

gosh it would really be quite cheeky of Luke to steal Tanner's spot in the keep and then pocket me and get me to vote for him.

mmmmhmm

Here Ari is doing her cutesy schtick with Luke.

I don't think I'm going to vote unless Tanner tells me it's ok to trust that person

Now Ari says she's not going to vote unless Tanner says so. (this is important in a bit).

In post 468, Aristeia wrote:

In post 463, Pavowski wrote:
We don't have to get scum here, we just have to find town. This is easy and makes me think even more that Luke is scum, because I know he thinks (knows) he can look townier than me.


?

If you think Luke is scum why wouldn't you just vote for me?

Do you think Luke is bluffing about voting for me to convince you to vote for him?

@Ari, it sounds from this like you think Pav should have the voting power in Keep rather than you or Luke, is that right?

This read to me like imaginality trying to nudge the game to put the deciding vote in Pav's hands, just as Pav and Luke were kind of calling each other scummy. In my notes, I described this as "seed planting". To me, the idea here is to try to set up Ari!scum the best possible chance to get the vote by leveraging Luke and Pav's distrust for each other. It's a subtle thing and I could be tinfoiling, but I really don't understand the point of imaginality's question. It's not scumhunting. So what's the point of it?

@Ari, it sounds from this like you think Pav should have the voting power in Keep rather than you or Luke, is that right?

I don't think of the Keep that way.

If I get to 100% sure of the solution I will not hesitate to vote.

This is how Ari responds to that post from imaginality...and this is kind of key because now Ari is saying she'll vote when she's sure of her reads. Well that runs in complete contradiction to just earlier when she said she would only vote who Tanner said. I think Ari is trying to sound pro-town by saying she'll let Tanner decide, but in reality, she is looking for whatever angle she can get to win.

Imaginality how prepared would you say you were for this 1v1?

This comment from Ari also struck me as weird. It's a complete softball meant to make imaginality look like he is some weakling against big bad VP. I don't see how this question is helping Ari determine alignments. Again, I would see this as Imaginality and Ari trying to shape public opinion around in each other in a positive way that helps the other win their games.

This is subtle stuff and maybe I'm confbiasing myself since I know imaginality is scum, but their actions toward each other don't read like there is town!Ari in the mix. It is coordinated and kid gloves.

VPB.

Have you ever stopped at any point and thought to yourself.

If Ari flips scum I am going to easily win the Gate because there's almost no way anyone thinks Ari/Me is S/S?

[Aristeia]

Like it's absolutely mindboggling to me how you could possibly think I am scum trying to shade the shit out of you and annihilate you.

Because I have been very clear that I am happy to flip first and let Tanner see whether my reads are coming from Town!Me.

So how exactly is my play scum motivated? You think tanner is going to look at me grilling the shit out of you and treating imag with kiddie gloves and then look at my red role pm and think that I'm playing some weird reverse psych trick on him?

Like your entire mindset is strange and alien to me.