Open 840 - Guardians of the Fortress [Game Over]

[Aristeia]

ari, which one of vp and imaginality is scum, and what do you think about my points on imaginality's associate-case looking Not Good?

I think him wanting to be flipped first is a good look for him but on the balance everything else is quite disgusting.

[VP Baltar]

The benefit of doing the gate first is that is where the most associatives will come from. Fingers crossed, Tanner votes out imaginality and town is then up a game with good associatives to win the keep.

We are also getting to the point of needing to make a decision on a game so we aren't rushing the later games. I do think gate has had the most robust discussion to this point.

Noting here that VP tried to get Tanner to vote right at the start of today. There really seems some reason why he wants to get Gate done first.

Lol yes. You're scum. This is an easy win and takes the pressure off Tanner/town for the other games.

I think the setup I proposed is very beneficial to town and we can win two games without having to play the third.

[Tanner]

ok, it's getting a bit late here and i have a headache so excuse me if i am about to say dumb shit but - what exactly are your points that make him scum here? he wasn't willing to go along with your questioning when he felt he's already explained things? he thought you were paired with imaginality? (you already said you don't think that's outside his town range)

like, i can see his play be annoying here but why is it scummy?

pedit: @ari

[Tanner]

i currently have 5 tabs open on this game and i don't remember what 4 of them were even for...

[Lukewarm]

ari, which one of vp and imaginality is scum, and what do you think about my points on imaginality's associate-case looking Not Good?

I think him wanting to be flipped first is a good look for him but on the balance everything else is quite disgusting.

Did you have thoughts on imaginaity's partner-case?

[Aristeia]

because it literally doesnt make sense for scum me to have a massive shit fight with town him if we r flipping keep first like I want to.

[Aristeia]

and which imaginality also wants to

[Aristeia]

lets say we r in the world where i am mafia with imaginality.

which is the world he is proposing

how does it make sense for me to have a massive shitfight with him and ask for keep to be resolved

first

you don't really trust me, i think most people trust luke more

lets say you tell me to vote for luke/pavo

i refuse and out myself as scum

keep resolves in a town win

i show up as scum

vpb then easily wins gate since i am shown as scum

game over

does that really seem like something scum!me does?

[Aristeia]

ari, which one of vp and imaginality is scum, and what do you think about my points on imaginality's associate-case looking Not Good?

I think him wanting to be flipped first is a good look for him but on the balance everything else is quite disgusting.

Did you have thoughts on imaginaity's partner-case?

which post are you asking me about? can you just quote it for me pls?

[Tanner]

i am at the fucking point where i am ready to tinfoil an ari/vp team just fucking watch me

[Tanner]

which post are you asking me about? can you just quote it for me pls?

971

[VP Baltar]

Ari, if imaginality is scum, who do you think his buddies are?

[Tanner]

how does it make sense for me to have a massive shitfight with him and ask for keep to be resolved first

when did you first ask to resolve the keep first? i was under the impression it was pretty up in the air which game is getting resolved first (and it still kinda is)

[VP Baltar]

which post are you asking me about? can you just quote it for me pls?

971

That reminds me that ari was dogging me about responding to that post and I don't think said a word when I did. Anyhow

[Lukewarm]

Does Baltar consistently not acknowledging that the gate is only the easy win from his PoV , and is the middle of the pack from everyone elses, more likely to come from town or scum Baltar?

I kinda go back and forth between it being scum bravado, or town not considering the game from other people's pov.

It has been consistent from the moment day 2 opened, all the way up to now, when he presented why the gate makes the most sense to go first.

[Lukewarm]

Does Baltar consistently not acknowledging that the gate is only the easy win from his PoV , and is the middle of the pack from everyone elses, more likely to come from town or scum Baltar?

I kinda go back and forth between it being scum bravado, or town not considering the game from other people's pov.

It has been consistent from the moment day 2 opened, all the way up to now, when he presented why the gate makes the most sense to go first.

I think that the answer to this would probably take meta homework.

@Tanner, you've played with him, what do you think?

[Lukewarm]

@Baltar, from your/imaginality's PoV, the Gate is mech solved. It is the easy game.

From literally everyone elses, your game is a 50/50, and the Keep is the easier game.

[Tanner]

i don't actually know. i've seen bravado from him as either alignment, and it would take a bit more digging to figure out if the type of bravado that ignores the rest of the game is more likely to be townie or scummy.

my first instinct is that is scummy, simply because i can think of an example of him doing something similar as town while i can't pull a similar example from memory for town, but i feel zero confidence in that answer without actually going through games.

[Tanner]

i can think of an example of him doing something similar as

scum*

[VP Baltar]

It has nothing to do with bravado. It 100% has to do in my trust that tanner will read me right if needed. Like I understand why scum made Tanner IC, because who wants to face that, but they should have ICed me to have better odds of a dummy making the call.

Scum made a mistake and I'm going to capitalize on it by being loud af and getting a win on the board.

[VP Baltar]

Like, my super secret town power is that I will totally put my ass in the wind and draw all kinds of attention because I know I'm being transparent and speaking openly. If I was scum, I'd be worried about keeping people happy and staying somewhat down the middle.

[Lukewarm]

On face, I think that I would lean towards it being + town for him actually.

I think doing it once would be +scum for bravado, but the consistency of it makes me question it - because scum would be more aware of other people considering them as the scum at the gate I think?

I don't know that this amounts to anything... I'm gonna sleep on it.

[Aristeia]

how does it make sense for me to have a massive shitfight with him and ask for keep to be resolved first

when did you first ask to resolve the keep first? i was under the impression it was pretty up in the air which game is getting resolved first (and it still kinda is)

I don't remember

I do want to resolve it first though.

I don't really enjoy playing under pressure and I want you to see my thoughts are from town!me. I kind of think though you don't particularly care though.

[Lukewarm]

he sniped me with that. And him outlining the reason he is consciously posting the way I just said is a new wrench in this line of thinking.

[Tanner]

:/

i do care - but i'm also aware that i'm The Target for pocketing right now and that i need to be questioning things. and right now i'm not convinced by your arguments for why he's scum? and i do want your analysis on 971.

@ari