Open 840 - Guardians of the Fortress [Game Over]

[Lukewarm]

The benefit of doing the gate first is that is where the most associatives will come from. Fingers crossed, Tanner votes out imaginality and town is then up a game with good associatives to win the keep.

What associatives from the Gate do you think will help us win the Keep after you are gone? You already have those associatives, what do they tell you?

Most strongly that Ari's scum equity goes up with an imaginality red flip.

It's not a slam dunk, but I think people think I'm a little crazy right now. Knowing for a fact I'm town will show that the arguments I'm making need serious consideration

This is probably the towniest thing you've said all game

which is great because it makes very little sense.

Pointless spec

A good summary of your entire scum game.

this is probably the towniest post VPB has made all game

VPB keeps setting personal bests tonight lol

[implosion]

implosion, have you considered that your TR on Lukewarm might be wrong?
(I'm still in the process of writing my reads table.)

...yeah? I've certainly considered that all of my reads could be wrong, most of them are wrong in most of the games i play probably, but hey, that's mafia.

I think that you forgot that Lukewarm desperately wanted to win and swapped you and Pavowski in order to fulfil his desire. Remember 125. Lukewarm was hellbent on winning Keep and scum!Lukewarm would have saw you as a threat.

I'm not sure what you mean by "I think you forgot" - like, I forgot that this is a possibility?

[Aristeia]

I know

he's reached a level of play so horribly inconsistent that I'm thinking it only comes from town talking out of their ass.

[implosion]

I think part of the reason I've been getting so hung up on Aristeia is that her being scum is like, the easiest way for this game to make sense without feeling arrogant. Or more, calling Pav scum just feels too arrogant. But I don't really have any particularly good reason for him to not be scum.

[Lukewarm]

RH, I really would like to know what parts of the game that you have actually read

[imaginality]

I think RH9 slipped in the above series of posts. He didn't realise he was implying implo is town.

If so, that would mean RH6 is scum, implo is town and Luke is town

[implosion]

the only thing i was able to remember from you is that vp is town because dumbtell. scrolling back, the point on toog being prepared is nice but it's like, i dunno, is that all? it didn't give me the impression you're actually solving a lot. i dunno why i have the impression that you Should be solving more but here we are

Oh yeah and to respond to this, I wasn't trying to give explanations there, I was just saying which reads I thought I'd been clear on what they are.

My reason for Toog is more nQ-town than Toog-scum. I talked a bit about it but like, a

lot

of his content gives me town vibes relative to the amount he has posted. And I mean, most of all:

the point on toog being prepared is nice but it's like, i dunno, is that all?

Yeah, I mean, there's probably more but... I haven't exactly had much to work with in Wall.

[Pavowski]

I think part of the reason I've been getting so hung up on Aristeia is that her being scum is like, the easiest way for this game to make sense without feeling arrogant. Or more, calling Pav scum just feels too arrogant. But I don't really have any particularly good reason for him to not be scum.

Could you explain more what you mean by this - how scum!Ari simplifies the game?

[VP Baltar]

Or more, calling Pav scum just feels too arrogant

Arrogant? Not sure what you mean.

[VP Baltar]

I guess he can be somewhat charming in a way if he's not being a dick to you

You're a pooky alt right? Only pooky gets this tilted over me saying absolutely normal shit lol

[Aristeia]

ofc not I would probably never re-evaluate if I was a Pooky alt.

[VP Baltar]

ofc not I would probably never re-evaluate if I was a Pooky alt.

Haha fair point

[Aristeia]

VP why do you think Imagi wants to resolve Keep first?

[imaginality]

I think RH9 slipped in the above series of posts. He didn't realise he was implying implo is town.

If so, that would mean RH6 is scum, implo is town and Luke is town

Giving me added confidence about the above: this also fits with my theory in 791 that RH6 was more likely than numberQ to be scum if VP is expecting Gate to flip first. We've seen him push hard for that more than once today.

[VP Baltar]

VP why do you think Imagi wants to resolve Keep first?

Because he is scum and I may be right somewhere else in my team guess. I have given a much clearer set of reads than him.

If we flip keep first and I'm wrong on you, he can be like "see, vp trying to get a misyeet".

I also think keep is a very consensus first flip given the percentages, so it is a safe choice.

[VP Baltar]

I think RH9 slipped in the above series of posts. He didn't realise he was implying implo is town.

If so, that would mean RH6 is scum, implo is town and Luke is town

Giving me added confidence about the above: this also fits with my theory in 791 that RH6 was more likely than numberQ to be scum if VP is expecting Gate to flip first. We've seen him push hard for that more than once today.

What are you even talking about. Toog/RH9 was in my scum team call twice with you.

[imaginality]

I think RH9 slipped in the above series of posts. He didn't realise he was implying implo is town.

If so, that would mean RH6 is scum, implo is town and Luke is town

Giving me added confidence about the above: this also fits with my theory in 791 that RH6 was more likely than numberQ to be scum if VP is expecting Gate to flip first. We've seen him push hard for that more than once today.

What are you even talking about. Toog/RH9 was in my scum team call twice with you.

So? I covered that in 791. It was near the end of that post, maybe you fell asleep before you got there.

[Aristeia]

VP why do you think Imagi wants to resolve Keep first?

Because he is scum and I may be right somewhere else in my team guess. I have given a much clearer set of reads than him.

If we flip keep first and I'm wrong on you, he can be like "see, vp trying to get a misyeet".

I also think keep is a very consensus first flip given the percentages, so it is a safe choice.

did you even read what he said about the keep resolution?

[VP Baltar]

VP why do you think Imagi wants to resolve Keep first?

Because he is scum and I may be right somewhere else in my team guess. I have given a much clearer set of reads than him.

If we flip keep first and I'm wrong on you, he can be like "see, vp trying to get a misyeet".

I also think keep is a very consensus first flip given the percentages, so it is a safe choice.

did you even read what he said about the keep resolution?

I'm barely reading what he posts.

[VP Baltar]

There's zero point in me reading a bunch of scum BS.

[RH9]

There's zero point in me reading a bunch of scum BS.

What is going on between you and imaginality?

[Pavowski]

Who wants to tell him

[Pavowski]

They are confirmed SvT in their mini.

[imaginality]

There's zero point in me reading a bunch of scum BS.

This attitude doesn't come from town.

As town I'm reading what VP says in case he:

- says/does something that makes it more objectively obvious he's scum
- interacts with someone in a way that could give clues as to their alignment
- tries to make us do something anti-town (like rush the Gate vote at the start of D2)

VP is trying to steamroller over me today.

Quiz for others: has VP even explained why I would:
- choose to go to Gate with him and Tanner rather than Wall
- stay in the Gate with him and Tanner if his me-Ari-RH9 solve is right (meaning scum weren't forced to swap Wall and Keep)
- IC Tanner over IC-ing VP, given their relative attitudes towards me D1

[imaginality]

If your answer is "I don't know because he's posted like a thousand posts today", that tells its own story