Holiday Dance Party ---- Game Over

[GuiltyLion]

I think Alyssa is very town for that Andante push unless her partner is exactly RH9 and a hard bus was her best chance at endgaming. And even then I dunno if she really needs to do that at this stage

But I think RH9 is absolutely POE and so he would need to go by then anyways. I am still thinking marci saying she enjoyed RH9s posts doesn't make any sense if RH9 is town because he'd be such a low priority slot to play around. I need to check his associatives with Andante, I didn't read much over the night

[Something_Smart]

It makes Shiro look better, for sure. But not "damned obvious".

[Harley Quinn]

I've got my theory as to who the third is but I'm like 95% sure it's GL Adante Ydrasse.

gl, tell me why I shouldn’t revote you?

[GuiltyLion]

I agree with alyssa rh9 as endgame pair

I did find this post which was a lil odd at the time and certainly suspicious now

[GuiltyLion]

I've got my theory as to who the third is but I'm like 95% sure it's GL Adante Ydrasse.

gl, tell me why I shouldn’t revote you?

Because Titus isn't some infallible source of truth? Like I could just as easily quote Fire saying I'm obviously town lol

[Harley Quinn]

I think Alyssa is very town for that Andante push unless her partner is exactly RH9 and a hard bus was her best chance at endgaming. And even then I dunno if she really needs to do that at this stage

But I think RH9 is absolutely POE and so he would need to go by then anyways. I am still thinking marci saying she enjoyed RH9s posts doesn't make any sense if RH9 is town because he'd be such a low priority slot to play around. I need to check his associatives with Andante, I didn't read much over the night

That is a good point and he went out of his way to link that game where Noraa apparently did that wifom thing.

Titus hard tr Galron and SS doesn’t feel scummy. Idk but If we hit another scumwagon we’ll get a pretty good idea based on votes.

I don’t believe there’s any double scum wagons and Alyssa’s my strongest tr other than of course the IC. Shiro was extremely confident on Ydra being scum.

[Harley Quinn]

I agree with alyssa rh9 as endgame pair

I did find this post which was a lil odd at the time and certainly suspicious now

Yeah it is.

[GuiltyLion]

I'm fine with taking Shiro/HQ and Galron/S_S off the table for now. I think my preferred endgame pair would be S_S/Galron but it's not ironclad. If Datisi/I are in LIMLO we probably lose this game so at some point we'll have to be limmed I think, but I'd love if we could get RH9 first

one other point I thought of in my self-defense, maybe this is a weird take but I think I'd actually have an easier time arguing against my elimination (if I were scum and needed to survive) if Titus were alive. I could argue with her and find the points in which she's wrong and make people doubt whereas with her dead it's just crystallized forever that she thinks I'm scum

[Harley Quinn]

VoteCount 1.10

Firebringer - Andante [0]
Taly - Ydrasse [0] -
Save the Dragons - Titus [0] -
Marcistar - Not_Mafia [7] - Save The Dragons, Alyssa the Lamb, Datisi, GuiltyLion, Ydrasse, Taly, Not_Mafia
Datisi - GuiltyLion [1] - Titus
RH9 - Alyssa the Lamb [0] -
Shiro - Harley Quinn [2] - Andante, Firebringer
Galron - Something_Smart [0] -

Not Voting [6]

- RH9, Marcistar, Shiro, Galron, Something_Smart. Harley Quinn

With 16 alive it takes 9 votes to execute

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Countdown to deadline: (expired on 2021-12-28 20:00:00)

So we know one scum offwagon. It’s extremely likely at least one scum was and I don’t believe that’s Alyssa, so if gl is telling the truth here, then it would have to be Ydrasse and then the remaining scum off.

[Harley Quinn]

I'm fine with taking Shiro/HQ and Galron/S_S off the table for now. I think my preferred endgame pair would be S_S/Galron but it's not ironclad. If Datisi/I are in LIMLO we probably lose this game so at some point we'll have to be limmed I think, but I'd love if we could get RH9 first

one other point I thought of in my self-defense, maybe this is a weird take but I think I'd actually have an easier time arguing against my elimination (if I were scum and needed to survive) if Titus were alive. I could argue with her and find the points in which she's wrong and make people doubt whereas with her dead it's just crystallized forever that she thinks I'm scum

His reactions to you were pretty over the top. Again it sucks because we have to lose Alyssa but my solve rn is RH9/Ydra.

It just seems a bit too obvious if it’s you but eh.

[Harley Quinn]

Oh, great!

Why did I give advice to scum, again?

Galron, care to explain 6017.

You believed that a Titus or GL flip 'solves this game'. Titus has flipped Town, what do you think?

Why no reaction to the IC’d couple not dying over Titus/STD despite STD still being sr?

[GuiltyLion]

hmm actually RH9 doesn't feel like an Andante partner to me, they have some interactions that are making me doubt, I'll pull them up in a sec. I guess with a day talk PT I shouldn't put a ton of stock into it but on first blush this is better than I was expecting

[Harley Quinn]

why are u guys all so pressed abt norwee just wanting to read up before doing anything, its not that scummy and u guys just hate him cuz its whats ez

This cannot be further from

my

reason for suspecting him.

But who do you think are taking the easiest route in pushing

Norwe

?

guiltylions and datisi

are you partners

yah

[Harley Quinn]

hmm actually RH9 doesn't feel like an Andante partner to me, they have some interactions that are making me doubt, I'll pull them up in a sec. I guess with a day talk PT I shouldn't put a ton of stock into it but on first blush this is better than I was expecting

Well who is then? I don’t see why scum!Shiro ever kills Titus here, since keeping them alive is his best chance to endgame and no clear consensus T - T pair makes Ydra not look great.

[Harley Quinn]

I was reading Andante jumping on me about Galron a tmi tr but what if he’s her buddy?

But why would Galron kill Titus? Killing us makes way more sense.

[GuiltyLion]

Serious question, am I supposed to have a giant readslist at this point in the game?

I do not think you need to make a readlist at this point, I just want to make one because I was not active at the start because of Uni

also you are post here, at #479 "I like almost never even have a readslist at all, and here it feels like everyone is all "here's everyone and my thoughts" like, sure I could do that, but aren't all the reads the same at this point?"

it would be nice if you can make a readlist in the future, it does not even have to be long! it is nice to see your thoughts!! so it is easier for everyone to understand what is going through your mind.

I mean, I just say my thoughts when I have them lol, me making a list? nahh cause with lists I feel like I have to address everyone, when like, I'd rather ignore my TRs, discuss scum with people I TR, figure out my reads, like it's always changing, plus if you give a reads list, half the people just stick to that list, my reads are ever changing. Just ask mythoughts on particular people and I'm happy to share, I don't have strong reads yet, but I don't think it really matters right now anyways? idk, I'm reading/following along, and that's good enough for me

I agree with this so much. Mindmeld moment! Andante is so getting a TR from me.

Does he really post this about a buddy without being worried at all about how this would look? I doubt it. and he doesn't need to TR his buddy anyways, Andante wasn't under a ton of pressure here.

Fire i’m sorry you paired up with scum.

Are you talking to Andante?

...
whyd u feel the need to ask this rh9? ur questions making me more confused...

I misread 'Fire' as 'Fine' and got confused.

this is kind of a janky conversation if RH9 is scum. scum!RH9 asking town!Norwee about scum!Andante, scum!marci jumping in to say he's confusing her... like is this really planned distancing, it's almost too meaningless to be planned

Everybody, rank each pair (except mine - calling IC privilege) on how likely you believe scum resides in them.

T/T

• Datisi & GL / RH9 & Alyssa / Shiro & Harley Quinn
  
• STD & Titus / Galron & S_S
  
• Marcistar & Norwee / Firebringer & Andante

T/S

Would he really put two buddies at the bottom of his readslist before any flips or major wagons elsewhere? Again, unless the team is like Alyssa/RH9 and she's telling him to do this, I kinda doubt it?

How's Andante, Firebringer?

haven't seen her post in pt. she hasn't posted to my last part in story. its been a little less than 24 hours. give her time

OK. Just hope that she is well.

Mentally and physically.

Feel like they'd honestly be talking about this in the PT instead of main thread. Andante also replied "Awwww RH9 <3" which just genuinely vibes to me like they aren't having a side conversation elsewhere. I guess it could be faked but on average I think scum don't fake this stuff as frequently

[RH9]

Strange thing is that I suggested to Alyssa that Mafia might want to defame GL and asked who she thought might do that. She never responded.

[GuiltyLion]

I hate that I'm talking myself out of my main scumread but I guess that's what's happening here

Gonna sleep on this and maybe wait for Alyssa and Taly to check in and try to think a bit more, I retain the right to 180 again without warning

I still think Andante saying she wants RH9/Alyssa pair to endgame needs to be weighed somewhat heavily, scum is losing if they carry that sort of trajectory the whole way about a T-T pairing and I think scum probably don't want to be raising the idea much especially when one of the players is as experienced as Alyssa

[RH9]

I was reading Andante jumping on me about Galron a tmi tr but what if he’s her buddy?

But why would Galron kill Titus? Killing us makes way more sense.

Remember Galron's 6017. He explicitly stated that he believed that a 'titus or gl flip solves this game'. That's why I think that Galron should tell us if he still believes that and if he does, how this game is solved by Titus flipping.

[Harley Quinn]

Idk then, that just leaves me with Ydrasse.

[Harley Quinn]

I don’t think I want to vote RH9 or gl now.

[Harley Quinn]

My general take for some time now has been 1 of {guilty lion, titus, alyssa} plus 2 of {everyone else}

I stand by my statement 3000 posts ago that a titus or gl flip solves this game.

So what’s your solve then based on this?

[Harley Quinn]

What can I do to help you here Taly? I think you're doing a great job!! You're in a position I'd never want, so if you need to just step away for a few hours, do that. You got this!!!

lol

[GuiltyLion]

I feel like no matter what happens this game, I am going to continue to be wrong and look foolish

[Harley Quinn]

What can I do to help you here Taly? I think you're doing a great job!! You're in a position I'd never want, so if you need to just step away for a few hours, do that. You got this!!!

lol

Btw Taly, I’m extremely sorry that I hurt you with my IC comments. I was extremely frustrated at not being listened to and then after I said I was crying you offered Dats a hug but not me. I still regret it. This game is so painful for me I was practically praying me and Shiro get nk’d but scum clearly wants me to suffer, so I’m still in this game. :/