Open 840 - Guardians of the Fortress [Game Over]

[VP Baltar]

Tanner, any players you want to discuss before I'm gone?

why have you suddenly gotten this idea in your head that i'm resolving the gate first?

It's not suddenly.

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It is your destiny.

[Aristeia]

it was his desperation to preflip Pavo as town and your desperation to flip yourself as town that was what made me rethink Gate

[VP Baltar]

I need to go back to my notes and see if I had imaginality-Luke-RH9 as one of my possible configurations

[Tanner]

ok but like, this is lowkey creeping me out

because i said i wanted something else flipped before gate

and we both said it should be the keep

and then imaginality started pointing out which flips in the keep make you look bad

and all of a sudden you're pressuring me into voting here?

[Aristeia]

imagi knowing what the keep flips are is kind of a bad look tho?

[Tanner]

why do you now want to flip imaginality

what is going on

[Aristeia]

I need to go back to my notes and see if I had imaginality-Luke-RH9 as one of my possible configurations

is this really relevant to anything? @.@

[Aristeia]

why do you now want to flip imaginality

what is going on

do you ever actually read what I post between coming in here to call me mafia?

[Tanner]

i am not calling you mafia >_>

i did read, it was more of a "is that really the reason" type post

[Aristeia]

you said vpb is 99.99% town? and that me/imagi was a scum team for ???? reasons and I am ready to resolve the game atp

[Lukewarm]

Hello friends.

I am having a kinda crappy morning atm, but I am here!

Gonna catch up

[Tanner]

i also mentioned how i wanted to hammer baltar, so... it's just me going over the thoughts that occurred to me while i was out on a walk. not any super strong cases i'm gonna act out on yet.

[Lukewarm]

There's zero point in me reading a bunch of scum BS.

What is going on between you and imaginality?

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[VP Baltar]

why do you now want to flip imaginality

what is going on

I want out basically. Like, do I really want to spend another 40 pages arguing with a scum I think I've pretty effectively lit up? No, that just gives him an opportunity to weasel his way out of it.

You're the controller here of course, but if you feel good about imaginality flipping red, why not take that now and ease pressure to get the other games right? Let's say the keep flips wrong. Suddenly you have a lot more pressure to do the Gate right. Are you going to get paranoid under that pressure? Is imaginality going to post 40 walls I'm not going to respond to point by point?

A bird in hand, something something....

[VP Baltar]

I am having a kinda crappy morning atm, but I am here!

Sorry to hear that. The weekend is almost here at least.

[Tanner]

I want out basically.

me too. but i don't have that luxury >_>

[Aristeia]

is there something you think you will get if you stew over this decision any longer?

[Lukewarm]

Notice

Spoiler: Important

I skipped Tanner because he is confirmed Town.

Spoiler: Table

My Observations and Reads
Players		Analysis
Original	Replacement	Notes	Verdict
numberQ		288 can be made from a Town trying to give advice or scum hiding a warning as Galron once did here in Mini 2250. I agree with 335, though this is NAI because scum can be agreeable too. I agree with his opinion of my predecessor in 530. However, I disagree with 531. I don't think that Pavowski is scum. However, the clarification in 551 makes me feel better. 687 seems like a good question but both Town and scum have the motivation to ask that.	Null
implosion		79, 84, 178 could come from both scum and Town for similar reasons on why numberQ's advice in 288 is NAI. I agree with 129, especially the last sentence. 131 confuses me. I agree with 591, in that scum likely moved implosion because he was getting TRed a lot and scum moved him in order to let themselves win. This points to scum!Lukewarm because he was notably desperate in winning as seen in 125. I agree with 593. 594 feels like Town because he is trying to sort the people that are in his minigame. I think that it is a bit odd that implosion doesn't feel like Lukewarm is scum, though. 674 is so true. I vehemently disagree with 901 for making Lukewarm look like he has almost completely no chance of being scum. 904 is annoying me to pieces because why do you not consider that Lukewarm is scum who has Aristeia pocketed? 908 is so true, though. If I was scum, I would definitely considering bussing. Most of posts afterwards seems to be a meaningless argument with Aristeia. 1203 is a decent comeback.	Null
imaginality		195 seems odd as though he's trying to please people and it feels fake. However, I have done that as Town before, making it NAI. 260 could be a clarification of a genuine mistake or a deliberate one intended as a reaction test. This is NAI. I find that for similar reasons on why numberQ's and implosion's advice is NAI, it applies to imaginality's 283 too. Most other posts seem NAI too. 691, 971, and 1248 feels like single-minded attack on VP Baltar. 1230 feels like he somehow changed his mind and thus he realises that he's looking like we are scum together.	Null
Lukewarm		1032 felt off to me due to his astounding confidence on his reads. Seeing that implosion got moved and how much Lukewarm exhibited a desire to win in 125, it is obvious that Lukewarm is scum. He seems strangely into meta and theory. Examples of this include 29, 32, 34, 78, 101, 324, 484, 554 and 896.	Scum
DArby	Pavowski	As previously noted in 1086, 1060 feels like Pavowski is trying to do something which is something that I don't think that scum would do. This is because volunteering himself for a vote would appear LAMIST. I agree with a couple of his posts. Examples include 463, 467, 611, 614. Why is Pavowski the only one to get it?Why did my predecessor think so highly of Lukewarm? I agree with 50 149, and 150 from DArby. There is no way that Pavowski is scum.	Town
Aristeia		I like a lot of her posts. Examples include 100, 102 and 107. 108 makes me want to scream at my predecessor for placing Lukewarm on a pedestal instead of noticing the wisdom of Aristeia. 110 is so correct. 153 is a good idea. 290 is so sweet. 488. makes sense. 920 is so true. Anybody who disagrees is scum. 922 almost makes me think that I'm wrong on Lukewarm. Also, Aristeia, you remind me of marcistar and Morning Tweet.	Townlean
VP Baltar		Seems to ask questions a couple of times. Examples include 9, 147, 151, 161, 180, 186, 207, 221 and 387. 205 feels defensive. I don't get 217 and 395. I agree with 771. I like response to imaginality in 856. Scumreads in 859 makes sense. 864 shows good solving intent. 918 seems like he is wanting answers. 975 seems like he's gone and actually done research. Interactions with Aristeia, which include 979 and 981, feels like he is trying to work with her. 1209 seems like Town wanting to know things. I feel like 1243 and 1244 makes sense.	Townlean

Editor notes: this reads list does not make sense based on the mechanics of this game, maybe think about those some before you submit it. Thanks!

Like, RH Knows, or at least should know, that there is a scum in NumberQ and Implosion. They are both Null

He also knows that there is scum between Baltar and Imaginality. They are Null and Town Lean. Shouldn't a town lean on one necessitate a scum lean on the other?

So, he appears to not have thought to try and come up with a solve for the gate or for the wall.

The only game he has proposed a "solve" for is the Keep, and gotta say. Not a fan.

Looks like it boils down to: Luke is playing like he wants to win, and is interested by meta, and mech. And therefore is scum. But tbh, feels like a "Luke is Luke, and therefore is scum" argument.

[Tanner]

is there something you think you will get if you stew over this decision any longer?

i want to think i will, realistically i'm not sure it's going to happen.

%-wise, how sure are you on your reads of the gate?

[VP Baltar]

I want out basically.

me too. but i don't have that luxury >_>

Yeah, I figure you weren't going to find that very compelling.

I told scum already they fucked up ICing the person who gets NKed 99% of the time on N1 in all my games.

Look, if you want me to stick around I will, but I think my points for resolving gate first are valid.

[Lukewarm]

mmm

how tilted is lukewarm at imaginality in the scum pt rn?

Is this a reaction test, or have you suddenly 180'd on your read on both games?

[Aristeia]

is there something you think you will get if you stew over this decision any longer?

i want to think i will, realistically i'm not sure it's going to happen.

%-wise, how sure are you on your reads of the gate?

I don't really think in terms of percentages because those are mostly made up.

I think about the information I have and I express what my view is.

I am at the point where I want to flip over things to see if I am right I guess?

[Aristeia]

I guess it's not completely outside the realm of possibility that Imagi-scum decided his game was unwinnable and decided to take a dive to try to induce me to vote for pavo-scum in Keep. He has pulled similar moves before. I just find it not as likely as the other view.

[Tanner]

and the other view is that... vpb is so batshit insane he has to be town, and imaginality fucked up by not being consistent in his pre-flip keep analysis?

[Aristeia]

tonally he kind of feels similar to me in that he wants his flip to influence other games

it feels like he geniunely believes I am scum w imagi and his flip at gate will win the game because it will win gate/keep?

whereas imagi is saying the keep will flip in a way that makes him look good but he doesn't actually seem to care how the keep flips.