open 841: concgratulations to the winners and losers

[skitter30]

Why is he scum trying to misflip you and not town scumreading you?

[PookyTheMagicalBear]

I dun really know which one he is rn,

it's scummy he's using literally the same case that he used when he was scum trying to misflip me because he knows the premise of his case is wrong and it's not really a way to read me.

but it's kind of townie because it'd be so unbelievably mindbogglingly suicidal to try to do the same thing that failed last time and hope it will work this time.

[flow trap]

I'm here if anyone wants to ask anything

[skitter30]

Flow trap do u have thoughts on:
Dats
Midwaybear
Pooky
Catboi

?

[flow trap]

Flow trap do u have thoughts on:
Dats
Midwaybear
Pooky
Catboi

?

I will go iso them

[flow trap]

From what I remember Cat's reactions to me were town and Dats pinged me both ways but I don't remember where

[flow trap]

Any tips on how to read Pooky?

[skitter30]

Not really, i'm bad a reading him
I do think he's low key scummy rn tho

[flow trap]

Ah, I know how to solve this!

Pooky, are you scum?

[PookyTheMagicalBear]

I'm a seawolf attack submarine

[Faker]

And how does that compare to my scum and towngames, flow trap?

You have experience with both, as I am an outed alt of Prism.

[Faker]

Checking the last VC I don't see any imminent concerns. I will continue to sit on Mare for now. I still strongly disagree that the bitter argument was out of range, even if I know I need more overall.

[Faker]

I am not really enthused by the flow trap posts on this page. I'm not thrilled about the shallow vote on me, either, but I at least haven't given the necessary activity that real depth would require.

[flow trap]

Alright Pooky is acting like Pooky, so my conclusion is that Pooky is either Town or Scum, but not both and not anything else. (I kinda like post 424, but is borderline NAI)

I like Dats opening tone wise; the skitter rsv thing carried on too long for my liking, though and that pings me the wrong way. 120 is kinda good imo since scum would likely be more aware of what they are doing that could be suspicious. 166 does sound genuine to me so I think it also pings me town, but not by much. Dats, I'm gonna need a better explanation on the 274 vote cause I feel like you need more considering how you said the numbers made me less likely to be scum earlier. Scum would prolly elaborate on 594. I was gonna call 670 scummy since it felt kind of self-saving, but rereading, it's not as bad as I thought. Skimming after ~700, but Dats seems to be giving an "are you serious" tone which I equate to being more towny. - TR

[PookyTheMagicalBear]

I don't think it's out of range - I highly doubt she goes to flail-ate if she gets pushed early because she doesn't really give a fuck when she gets pushed as mafia because she absolutely hates playing mafia

[flow trap]

And how does that compare to my scum and towngames, flow trap?

You have experience with both, as I am an outed alt of Prism.

I'm a seawolf attack submarine

Smh bribing the mod

[flow trap]

And how does that compare to my scum and towngames, flow trap?

You have experience with both, as I am an outed alt of Prism.

Ah, I see, I see

Indeed, that does null my point, you were definitely not self-focused as scum and you were diplomatic UNVOTE:

[catboi]

midwaybear is town lol

Please tell

The opening with the serious mechanical minded discussion trying to make some concrete statements right away. Bit about meta numbers at the end is a nice flourish, subsequent posts have continued to be focused on analyzing things, liked in particular him taking a skeptical eye to the interactions between you and datisi

Had him as town similarly early in chromatic ascension based on a similar style of posting.

@catboi this is an early game gutread?

also do you still think he's town? I am starting to become Concerned about him

Yes, why wouldn't it be an early game read? I could do the lazy thing and go "vibes" but I tried to actually justify it

I've not really seen anything terribly concerning from him thus far and he seems to be unafraid in putting forth opinions, what are you actually oncerned about with him? If you're going to say "low volume" that's a super lazy read

[catboi]

Not really, i'm bad a reading him
I do think he's low key scummy rn tho

why is that

[Datisi]

ok fair enuf, have a great night and get some sleep!

just a few more things that i'm gonna leave here for you for tomorrow:
- i feel like your reads are somewhat fickle and that you're walking them back when you get some resistance
- i feel like you're being kinda defensive (nsg back-and-forth, pushing me when i said you pinged me, now this andante thing)
- given that i'm still pushing you, how does that factor into how you're reading me given the first point above? (i.e. why am i not scum trying to misflip you and keeping up this push on you in order to maintain a viable misflip)?

- my reads being fickle is correct and you're saying a factual statement about me this game. but my response to it is "is that scummy?" and i don't want a general "well scum is more likely to change their opinion when faced with backlash" i want an actual answer. do you get the vibe that i am changing my reads in order to placate people and that i'm doing it out of survivalism? do you have any issues with how i've been changing them? if yes, why didn't you ask about them instead of just plopping down the "changing reads when faced with contrary opinions" sticker?

- again, factual statement about my play this game. i'm defensive. i'm defensive as either alignment, i don't think you can pretend that i am not. if you want to talk about whether you think my defensiveness is town or scum motivated, we can do that. but my only response to "you're defensive!!" is "yes, i am, nice to meet you."

- part of it is that i guess i am pocketed by the "scum!me would've tried harder to have a townie trajectory" line. part of it is that, from what i remember of your play and of the games we've played together, the issues you're having with my play is around what i'd expect from town!you? like, i have a degree of self-awareness to know that i'm not my usual obvtowny here. so the things you're pushing do make a degree of sense. why you're not scum who is recognizing these issues anyway, because i know you're capable of it? no idea. call it gut.

[Datisi]

A skitter thing

What do you think scum!skitter does in this game state?

Probably goes more for majority opinion pushes

is this not more-or-less majority push? like, from what i saw, a lot of people have at least some degree of suspicion about me.

Dats, I'm gonna need a better explanation on the 274 vote cause I feel like you need more considering how you said the numbers made me less likely to be scum earlier.

just because i said that the numbers mean you're more likely town than random doesn't mean i'm not gonna vote you if i feel you're being scummy.

[Sleepless Assassin]

Hey all. I have the day off today so I'll be doing some reading a little bit at a time. I probably won't get through 57 pages but I'll do my best between today and tomorrow.

If anyone needs anything I'm here checking in every once in a while

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