Open 840 - Guardians of the Fortress [Game Over]

[Lukewarm]

Okay, I have read through the Ari / Imaginality back and forth, and read it a second time.

I started typing up one response that basically agreed with Ari, because it seems like a good point. but I was ending on the conclusion that he was avoiding ever calling me or Ari scum, because we were both doing the work of pushing Baltar for him. Also reminded me of an earlier post that Baltar made about his reads being fairly status quo reads, in a don't rock the boat kinda way.

But deleted that one, because I remembered that Imaginality did make a post considering scum me when he commented on the "slip" post I made about Baltar.

But now I just looked back at that. Was more of a foot note, less of a serious point I think. (not starting over again, again)

So, I guess I am back to scum!imaginality would have been avoiding rocking the boat with his reads, so did not want to call me or ari scum.

I am a little irked that ari jumped to me being scum with him without considering this tbh.

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On the flip side tho, I feel like Ari has left me feeling like she is never partnered with imaginality here. Which coupled with me feeling the same way about her and baltar before has kinda gotten rid of any doubt I had that she could be scum?

I was kinda holding off offering to vote her, because I was worried that that was a possibility, even if only a small one. And with talks of people voting me, just letting that happened seemed like the safest option.

But if there is doubt on me from this, I feel even better about voting her. I kinda think that the best game plan for us right now is for me to put together my if x then y post today, and then vote Ari.

[Lukewarm]

Oh dear! Thanks, implosion! I just realised that I was confbiased on Lukewarm. Maybe, I have been in the wrong, this entire time. I am so grateful that you are here.

This 180 on me feels weird. I was literally his only scum read like a page ago

Every time he posts, I lean more and more on him being scum.

[Lukewarm]

And it also reads like it is buddy buddy to implosion

[Lukewarm]

The only person that I am annoyed at is myself for taking so long to get out of my confbias and upsetting implosion, who is the best for being so patient and understanding.

Like, every single post he made on this page.

[VP Baltar]

On the flip side tho, I feel like Ari has left me feeling like she is never partnered with imaginality here.

Can I get details on why you think this?

[Lukewarm]

THEN i came up with a reason why imaginality/aristea is definitely 2/3rds of our scumteam here

Was this before or after reading their 1v1 last night?

[Tanner]

THEN i came up with a reason why imaginality/aristea is definitely 2/3rds of our scumteam here

Was this before or after reading their 1v1 last night?

after, it's a meta-reason that has nothing to do with the 1v1

basically, if imaginality is scum - why the fuck am i the ic, when i said i was town on baltar and scum on imaginality? the only reason that happens is if the team thought that winning imaginality v tanner is MORE difficult than winning imaginality v baltar. and i think the only way scum could've thought something like that is if both (1) they knew that my "i don't lose 1v1's" wasn't an empty threat and (2) they knew that baltar and i have history together and that he probably can read me better than rand. and i think ari is the only person here who should be aware of both of those things.

[Lukewarm]

On the flip side tho, I feel like Ari has left me feeling like she is never partnered with imaginality here.

Can I get details on why you think this?

Because she just presented a reasonably compelling case against him, town cased you, and created a situation that increased the odds that the Gate then gets voted on first.

Like, an imaginality + ari would mean Ari just decided to massively tank her odds at the Gate, which would mean they were betting the game on winning the wall.

I also felt like imaginality looked a little unprepared for that 1v1. Which would be true in any combination of their alignments except S/S

[Tanner]

of course there's probably at least 5 holes in that analysis, but i don't pride myself in actually being good at this game

[Lukewarm]

Anyways, I am off - might fuck around and see if my irl day gets any better

I am planning to write my if x then y post tonight, and we can decide what to do from there I think

[Lukewarm]

Because I don't actually have the ability to turn my brain off, I was thinking. Why does imaginality not seem to worry about a red Ari flip?

Multiple people have said that a scum Ari = a town baltar (including me)

So if imaginality is scum, I don't think that he ever wants the keep to go first if Ari is scum with him.

You can add that to the "reasons imaginality and Ari are not partners together"

[Aristeia]

THEN i came up with a reason why imaginality/aristea is definitely 2/3rds of our scumteam here

Was this before or after reading their 1v1 last night?

after, it's a meta-reason that has nothing to do with the 1v1

basically, if imaginality is scum - why the fuck am i the ic, when i said i was town on baltar and scum on imaginality? the only reason that happens is if the team thought that winning imaginality v tanner is MORE difficult than winning imaginality v baltar. and i think the only way scum could've thought something like that is if both (1) they knew that my "i don't lose 1v1's" wasn't an empty threat and (2) they knew that baltar and i have history together and that he probably can read me better than rand. and i think ari is the only person here who should be aware of both of those things.

You rarely ever get mislimmed. Anyone who has done any meta research on you knows this.

Your playstyle is strongly divergent between town/scum when you become committed to a game, which you will be in a 1v1.

I don't think I am the only person who is aware about this.

[Prism]

The Day 2 deadline has been adjusted. The new deadline is in (expired on 2022-01-07 06:25:00).

The OP and all VCs have been updated to reflect this new deadline.

[Prism]

Fortress Status Report 1.2

Gate	Guardian Votes
VP Baltar (1)	imaginality (534)
imaginality (1)	VP Baltar (866)
Not voting (1)	Tanner

Keep	Guardian Votes
Lukewarm (0)
Aristeia (0)
Pavowski (0)
Not voting (3)	Lukewarm, Aristeia, Pavowski

Wall	Guardian Votes
RH9 (0)
numberQ (0)
implosion (0)
Not voting (3)	RH9, numberQ, implosion

The score is 0-0. The Day 2 deadline is in (expired on 2022-01-07 06:25:00).

[implosion]

I'm just about ready to scream into the void.

[Tanner]

hi implo, what's up

[implosion]

i assume rh9 is still being sarcastic but still can't tell

numberQ is still absent

like 60% of the content in this game is about Keep and like 38% is about Gate, and like 2% of it is about Wall.

[implosion]

And like half the content is people relying so heavily on partner reads with no flips and in a game where like 2/3 of scum play is supposed to be about BSing partner reads.

[implosion]

I just don't even know what else to say rn.

[Tanner]

if it were up to you, what is the first thing we do here?

[Tanner]

if you're gonna give a boring answer like "vote luke at the keep", tell me what you wanna do after that because >_>

[VP Baltar]

We should resolve a game today for deadline reasons. Tanner, make the call which game.

[implosion]

I think if I had unilateral control and was forced to use it to decide everything right now I'd say vote luke at keep and VPB at gate and RH9 at wall; I don't really know about order because there are very few associatives that I'm putting stock in right now.

There are pros and cons for everywhere going first and I'm not entirely sure which ones outweigh the others.

Wall first pros: we're contributing by far the least, so losing our voices matters the least. It's unlikely we're going to use (or even really be able to use) the info from other games usefully.
Cons: conversely our flips aren't really that useful for other games so it's not like there's all that much benefit to actually resolving it. Maybe things will actually start happening here eventually.

Keep first pros: the most contention has been happening here so we can all be either vindicated that we're right or sad that we're wrong. FMPOV it resolves the question of 1-1-1 vs 2-1-0 (and doing it + wall before gate resolves that question from a neutral PoV), which is one thing that is actually relevant for associatives.
Keep first cons: we lose some useful voices, if we lose it it'll be pretty tough to recover from. But really probably the least severe cons.

Gate first pros: it gets vpb and imaginality to stop yelling about how obvious it is that they're town to everyone.
Cons: Tanner will no longer feel the burden of having a vote that matters and will inevitably lose focus and slip into a fugue state

[implosion]

whoops meant to say vote imaginality at gate, not vpb.

[implosion]

if you're gonna give a boring answer like "vote luke at the keep", tell me what you wanna do after that because >_>

Like this would be my boring answer and what comes next would either be "vote imaginality regardless of how keep flips" or "wait to see if anything ever actually happens at Wall".