open 841: concgratulations to the winners and losers

[skitter30]

Not really, i'm bad a reading him
I do think he's low key scummy rn tho

why is that

This is kinda a gut read, idk. Hard to put into words. But dont super feel like he's town and he isnt really trying to solve anything (ehich can admittedly be nai but makes it hard to townread him too)

[flow trap]

hey flow!! who is maf?

Smh Anda, you already know who it is

Current POE is like:

Andante 3 times

Midway, SS, Pooky, Mare, Cat, Skitter; Maybe Sleepless



I really like IV's progression on this page, though willing to sheep it as it is a good case and we need some more excitement VOTE: midwaybear

[Andante]

hey flow!! who is maf?

Smh Anda, you already know who it is

Current POE is like:

Andante 3 times

Midway, SS, Pooky, Mare, Cat, Skitter; Maybe Sleepless



I really like IV's progression on this page, though willing to sheep it as it is a good case and we need some more excitement VOTE: midwaybear

wow stealing my idea... I was gonna sheep IV here...

I also agree, that Andante person is super scummy...

[flow trap]

wow stealing my idea... I was gonna sheep IV here...

Is your pfp is a sheepdog?

[skitter30]

- my reads being fickle is correct and you're saying a factual statement about me this game. but my response to it is "is that scummy?" and i don't want a general "well scum is more likely to change their opinion when faced with backlash" i want an actual answer. do you get the vibe that i am changing my reads in order to placate people and that i'm doing it out of survivalism? do you have any issues with how i've been changing them? if yes, why didn't you ask about them instead of just plopping down the "changing reads when faced with contrary opinions" sticker?

- again, factual statement about my play this game. i'm defensive. i'm defensive as either alignment, i don't think you can pretend that i am not. if you want to talk about whether you think my defensiveness is town or scum motivated, we can do that. but my only response to "you're defensive!!" is "yes, i am, nice to meet you."

- part of it is that i guess i am pocketed by the "scum!me would've tried harder to have a townie trajectory" line. part of it is that, from what i remember of your play and of the games we've played together, the issues you're having with my play is around what i'd expect from town!you? like, i have a degree of self-awareness to know that i'm not my usual obvtowny here. so the things you're pushing do make a degree of sense. why you're not scum who is recognizing these issues anyway, because i know you're capable of it? no idea. call it gut.

- not that you're trying to placate people per se, more that it makes me think you lack conviction in your reads since you're willing to change them when you recieve pushback, ehich is indeed a trait i associate with scum. Like usually i'd think if you thought X was scum, you'd push them, and try to convince other people etc, and here you're just willing to drop it, which makes me think its not a real read (but rather something you made up) and that you dont want to go against thread consensus.

- ok ehy do you think so much of your iso is being defensive around your reads instead of just pushing the ones you feel strongly about?

- i mean ok, this makes very little sense: i was scum earlier for pushing you at a time when other people were scumreading you because i'm taking advantage of a convenient gamestate, but wheb i double down and push you more i'm getting townread and that logic has gone out the window? This is also kinda why i dont like your reads, this doesnt followthrough from what you were saying before ...

[skitter30]

did you know that skitter30 is vla on fridays and saturdays?

@schadd gonna be vla for another few days

[Andante]

wow stealing my idea... I was gonna sheep IV here...

Is your pfp is a sheepdog?

hahahaha sure XD
before I sheep I need to actually look at midway, I haven't really paid attention/seen anything from them

[skitter30]

VOTE: dats

I'm kinda ok with the midway wagon too
And i think that irregardless of midway's alignment catboi's early read on him was quite bad

[Andante]

lol what?
*votes dats
"im ok with midway"

[flow trap]

lol what?
*votes dats
"im ok with midway"

"too"

[Andante]

lol what?
*votes dats
"im ok with midway"

"too"

but nothing in that was about dats being scum

[Datisi]

- not that you're trying to placate people per se, more that it makes me think you lack conviction in your reads since you're willing to change them when you recieve pushback, ehich is indeed a trait i associate with scum. Like usually i'd think if you thought X was scum, you'd push them, and try to convince other people etc, and here you're just willing to drop it, which makes me think its not a real read (but rather something you made up) and that you dont want to go against thread consensus.

- ok ehy do you think so much of your iso is being defensive around your reads instead of just pushing the ones you feel strongly about?

- i mean ok, this makes very little sense: i was scum earlier for pushing you at a time when other people were scumreading you because i'm taking advantage of a convenient gamestate, but wheb i double down and push you more i'm getting townread and that logic has gone out the window? This is also kinda why i dont like your reads, this doesnt followthrough from what you were saying before ...

- i mean like... first i'm not sure where you're getting the idea that scum!me would be afraid of going against the thread consensus and be afraid of sticking to my reads. second of all, i do lack conviction in my reads, at least for scumreads. if you wanna actually question why certain things made me change my mind, you're free to do so.

- because i do not have reads that i feel strongly about that i can push (any reads that i feel strongly about are maybe a couple townreads that aren't getting heat right now so i can't really push them anywhere)

- i did this thing called ~changed my mind~: i decided that you saying scum!you would take greater care to have a good trajectory and not mindlessly push me is probably true, and now that you've actually elaborated on your reasons for thinking i'm scum, i don't have a problem with them.

[Datisi]

but nothing in that was about dats being scum

skitter has been pushing me being scum for like 4 years now, what are you on about

[Andante]

but nothing in that was about dats being scum

skitter has been pushing me being scum for like 4 years now, what are you on about

yeah I just realized lol

[skitter30]

lol what?
*votes dats
"im ok with midway"

"too"

but nothing in that was about dats being scum

I mean i've been indicating i was probably going to vote dats for a while now, but ok

[catboi]

Not really, i'm bad a reading him
I do think he's low key scummy rn tho

why is that

This is kinda a gut read, idk. Hard to put into words. But dont super feel like he's town and he isnt really trying to solve anything (ehich can admittedly be nai but makes it hard to townread him too)

Was feeling something with regard to him not being obvious town but I know he's not high effort every game, but...maybe

[skitter30]

mean like... first i'm not sure where you're getting the idea that scum!me would be afraid of going against the thread consensus and be afraid of sticking to my reads. second of all, i do lack conviction in my reads, at least for scumreads. if you wanna actually question why certain things made me change my mind, you're free to do so.

- because i do not have reads that i feel strongly about that i can push (any reads that i feel strongly about are maybe a couple townreads that aren't getting heat right now so i can't really push them anywhere)

- i did this thing called ~changed my mind~: i decided that you saying scum!you would take greater care to have a good trajectory and not mindlessly push me is probably true, and now that you've actually elaborated on your reasons for thinking i'm scum, i don't have a problem with them.

- i mean i'm not sure i'm saying that i think scum-you would be afraid to go against consensus so much as ... you are acting like you're afraid to go against consensus, and that is a trait i associate more with scum. Also, well: why is everyone else's opinion influencing your reads so much?

- fair enuf.

- i mean, sure, but this just kinda feels like another example of you backing down when you get pushback ...

Also why are you voting midway rn?

[Datisi]

Also, well: why is everyone else's opinion influencing your reads so much?

do you want a holistic "my reads weren't that strong in the first place so the things people said against them were enough to change my mind" or do you want me to go through the times where i changed my mind and specifically write what influenced those? because idk how else to answer it

i'm voting him bc iv present a case that looks good enough on the surface that makes me both townread iv and think it's worth pushing midway and seeing what happens

[innocentvillager]

false , u voted him before I posted why

[Datisi]

VOTE: midwaybear

skimmed chromatic ascension. this isn't the same thing.

VOTE: midway

why not

nope, i voted him after you said why you were voting him

i didn't even read the quotes you posted

[innocentvillager]

i'm voting him bc iv

present a case

that looks good enough on the surface

VOTE: midwaybear

skimmed chromatic ascension. this isn't the same thing.

VOTE: midway

why not

nope, i voted him after you said why you were voting him

i didn't even read the quotes you posted

1429 is my "case"?

[innocentvillager]

hey flow!! who is maf?

Smh Anda, you already know who it is

Current POE is like:

Andante 3 times

Midway, SS, Pooky, Mare, Cat, Skitter; Maybe Sleepless



I really like IV's progression on this page, though willing to sheep it as it is a good case and we need some more excitement VOTE: midwaybear

did u take a look at midway's iso? it's not very long

[innocentvillager]

id like to hear catboi's opinion on this more than anyone else atm rn because if im wrong i think he'd be the one to best be on the other side and slap me back to reality

I get what you're saying, I'm just not totally convinced the difference makes him scum this game, if that makes sense

okay do u still think he's town though? so u agree now that this isn't actually similar to chromatic ascension?

[innocentvillager]

- its not even the volume so much as what he is choosing to comment on is sort of weird; he feels very much on the sidelines and his comments are just kinda there but he isnt really interacting with people much or following up on things. Its not exactly iioa but like kinda similar and i'm bucketing in the same *type* of analysis as iioa. I think its easier for scum to interact with the thread this way

i feel like you're just saying what i said did u have this thought before me/read what i wrote?

[flow trap]

hey flow!! who is maf?

Smh Anda, you already know who it is

Current POE is like:

Andante 3 times

Midway, SS, Pooky, Mare, Cat, Skitter; Maybe Sleepless



I really like IV's progression on this page, though willing to sheep it as it is a good case and we need some more excitement VOTE: midwaybear

did u take a look at midway's iso? it's not very long

Yeah, it looks mostly different from what you quoted