open 841: concgratulations to the winners and losers

[Datisi]

1429 is my "case"?

yes

to be clear i did not read whatever quotes you posted and i am not going to because second-hand meta is useless to me. but the fact you entered with "ok midway is being different than in this other game" made me think you probably have something (because otherwise midway would just vote you back and i don't think scum!you is bold enough to bullshit a meta case without any truth to it) and since my read of midway was lowering anyway, there was no reason for me not to vote

[midwaybear]

IV, I won't argue that I have been more reactive this game compared to Chromatic Ascension.

makes me feel like he's more interested in surviving this game and faking a trajectory rather than actually playing the game here

But I wonder why this play makes you think I am interested in surviving? I don't think lurking is a viable option to survive as scum here, but maybe you meant something else. I agree more with skitter's 1449 that my play is easier and more indicative of what scum would do.

I think I'm back to being a bit off put about catboi's early read on me (like skitter). 314 seems to me like he was exaggerating the townieness of my posts. "Serious mechanical minded discussion", meta numbers as a "flourish"? I appreciate it, but do you really believe that.
That's not the answer I expected from Datisi. I don't think he would ever describe that single post as a "case", so the answer I expected something like: "voted midway and then ivs case afterward seemed good enough". So to double down on 1429 being the real cause just doesn't seem legit.

[innocentvillager]

idk i just get this gut feeling that this is the slot to kill today

probably fueled by confbias and hindsight bias while reading that game but he does not really feel the same to me

like one thing i can kind of articulate

every single thing midwaybear has stated here is like, an opinion, a narration of his own mindset

not once has he like, tried to question anyone or interact with anyone or solve people, granted he's not had that many posts but it feels survivalistic

in chromatic ascension, it felt he was more engaged in that and asked people questions and opened to others for input, etc

makes me feel like he's more interested in surviving this game and faking a trajectory rather than actually playing the game here

i guess that's part of what makes me think he's null and lifeless this game too

he's being reactive rather than proactive

and he's been proactive in like every town game ive seen him in so far including chromatic ascension

i think he's good enough at scum at this point to fake trajectories but im kind of missing the engagement here

and i think this is something that actually i can catch early on because in a game with a fun plist like this i don't see why you wouldn't be trying to interact

idk im sort of getting a little excited that ive noticed this lol imagine me being totally wrong.

holy shit is this town!iv?

yeah quotes after this point are whatever fine you didn't read that

but you did read this part though? and this feels like the actual case, not the one liner that I posted

but you voted before i posted these 3 posts

im a little confused at why ur doubling down on 1429 being a case

[innocentvillager]

But I wonder why this play makes you think I am interested in surviving? I don't think lurking is a viable option to survive as scum here, but maybe you meant something else. I agree more with skitter's 1449 that my play is easier and more indicative of what scum would do.

i think skitter and i are saying the same thing

im not referring to ur lurking as much as just the pure absence of interaction/any sort of read outsourcing in what you did decide to post

which makes me think you're not trying to work with people/interact, just narrating some of your own thoughts, which is something i explicitly don't associate with your towngame

if you agree you've been very reactive this game can you tell us why?

[Datisi]

ye, i read 1431-1433, that's what i called you town for in 1434

i get that "case" in a traditional sense would involve some more arguments, but just saying "midway is playing different here than he did in game xyz" is also a case in my mind, just a very short one

[innocentvillager]

like when im scum sometimes i just go into "okay shit i haven't posted in a while, need to fake some thoughts/wifomy stances that'll confuse people, make it look like im thinking about this"

rather than actually trying to figure out what's going on in people's heads ig

let's call it narration mode over scumhunting mode

and that's something i do feel is a natural instinct for scum!me to do that i have been trying to actively fight off in a way when i am scum. but im not sure you've been called out on it like this yet so i have no evidence to believe you'd have that same instinct

[innocentvillager]

datisi if you're scum fake doubling down on this case semantics when you actually meant something else i will go into hall of shame if i buy this

it just looks so weird lmao can u see why im sort of harping on this

[innocentvillager]

and that's something i do feel is a natural instinct for scum!me to do that i have been trying to actively fight off in a way when i am scum. but im not sure you've been called out on it like this yet so i have no evidence to believe you'd have that same instinct

this was not clear i think, i used "instinct" in two different ways so let me just rephrase

It is a natural instinct for scum!me to go into narration mode. But I was called out on it once as scum.
Since then I've noticed that was a disparity between some of my scum and town postings at the time. I ended up developing another paranoid instinct later that makes sure I am not just narrating my own thoughts but also trying to interact with people. But I have no evidence to believe you'd have this second instinct so I think it's possible I'm catching you for exhibiting the first narration one.

[Datisi]

to be frank with you, it's one of those things where i don't understand why you think i would even lie about this as scum?

[innocentvillager]

i'm voting him bc iv present a case

well ok the thought process is: i think you might because

if we all agree 1429 isn't "the case"

then your statement above is obviously wrong because of the timeline and might be construed as intentional lying

like the reason for me to think this is scummy is that you're bullshitting the actual reason for voting midway but i called you out on the timeline because you only voted before I posted the case

[innocentvillager]

so as scum you go:

oh shoot, i slipped

If I don't lie about this, then I have to admit that I didn't actually vote midway because of innocentvillager's case

Oh wait, I can still construe 1429 as "a case" even if it's a short one

But that'll look sketchy

But that's better than the alternative where I get called out for lying/faking reasons

[innocentvillager]

i know you're going to tell me im being insane regardless of your alignment

so i kind of want other people to weigh in and see if im just being way too nitpicky or if this is actually a little sketch

i mean i sort of buy that you thought 1429 was a case tho bc it's kind of a creative backtrack if u actually did scumslip so lol

[innocentvillager]

maybe u and mwb are both scum lol :3

[innocentvillager]

i mean that is still the occam's razor reasoning for why you and mwb both feel different from your towngames while other familiars like Faker, skitter, Cakez do feel more similar (SS and Pooky im also familiar with but i have no idea how to read either of them)

but again like i said before i don't exactly worship Occam's razor im willing to consider subtleties and nuances

[Datisi]

"if you all agree 1429 isn't the case" then you can vote me out and you'll all have an egg on your face when i flip green?

like, the sequence of events is: i read 1429 where you said this isn't the same midway from another game (implying he's scum here because he was town there). iv might be onto something, let's vote there and see what happens. oh look, iv is actually elaborating in 1431-3 on how he is different, iv might actually be town. and i voted midway because iv presented a case on why midway might be scum - midway is acting differently here than this one town!game.

If I don't lie about this, then I have to admit that I didn't actually vote midway because of innocentvillager's case

i mean like, for this to be true, i would have to be such a scum player to forget why i was voting midway in the hour and a half it passed from my vote in 1430 to me explaining my vote in 1467 - i don't understand how *you*, who often praises me as being not shit at being scum, can think *that* is more likely than me, as either alignment, calling 1429 a case on midway

to be clear, i don't mean the above to say you're scummy, i remember you pulling some similar nitpicky bullshit on me in 2207, i'm just saying lol i can't believe what you're forcing me to defend here

[innocentvillager]

yea u are good at scum lol although even the best scumplayers make mistakes

like Alisae is p good at scum too but e slipped and did a really bad backtrack in DEFCON that i called her out for

not saying it's what ur doing but it's still a possibility in my mind

like i think it's possible as scum you had this fake town reason in your mind but you got it mixing up timing-wise: maybe you thought my actual case was reasonable but then forgot you voted before it happened. and u can do that as town too but you're saying you didn't so that part is irrelevant

anyway your timeline of events seems kind of okay ish aside from the fact that i still find it weird that u think 1429 is a case.

[Faker]

I read at a rate of like a page every 5 minutes please slow down oh god

Picking back up from page 12, going to try to consolidate thoughts every 5-10 pages or so.

[midwaybear]

if you agree you've been very reactive this game can you tell us why?

Not super sure because I don't think my playstyle has changed too much from Chromatic or since that TM game tbh. I think it is just game to game variation and that this stuff is within my townrange as well even though you might not have seen it before (although it probably exists if you do a deep dive). But I also don't want to sac this game so you have this in your file of "town-midway" later on, so I'll hopefully step it up and improve your read of me.

so i kind of want other people to weigh in and see if im just being way too nitpicky or if this is actually a little sketch

Yeah, I think I saw what you were seeing. We even both used "double-down" lol

[Faker]

Spoiler: For Cakez

Not really thrilled with skitter's start. I instinctively did not like the statements about catboi and IV, and checked it against several games but it doesn't line up with any she's played with me as either alignment.

VOTE: Mare

Meh.

how does this vote parse with you criticizing Skitter's opening?

This was answered in 109, I concur that I should have made it more explicit.

[SirCakez]

Probably goes more for majority opinion pushes

we don't have any semblance of a consensus in the game state so what r you talking about here?

are we even reading the same game .__.

Like there are some people who are low content and not really being townread by anyone
SS, midway, sleepless, etc

[SirCakez]

Probably goes more for majority opinion pushes

we don't have any semblance of a consensus in the game state so what r you talking about here?

are we even reading the same game .__.

I dun really know which one he is rn,

it's scummy he's using literally the same case that he used when he was scum trying to misflip me because he knows the premise of his case is wrong and it's not really a way to read me.

but it's kind of townie because it'd be so unbelievably mindbogglingly suicidal to try to do the same thing that failed last time and hope it will work this time.

What case lmfao

[SirCakez]

Here I'll sheep IV on this because I do think this is like 99% scum and I'd rather get someone obviously scum out of the game then let them sit around
VOTE: midwaybear

[Faker]

Prism prolly Town:P

Oh god, major yikes. This acknowledgment was post 646. flow trap recently voted me only to unvote when presented my main:

VOTE: Faker

Kinda seems concerned with self image

And how does that compare to my scum and towngames, flow trap?

You have experience with both, as I am an outed alt of Prism.

Ah, I see, I see

Indeed, that does null my point, you were definitely not self-focused as scum and you were diplomatic UNVOTE:

VOTE: flow trap

[Andante]

Like there are some people who are low content and not really being townread by anyone
SS, midway, sleepless, etc

Sleepless is VLA till today, why are you including them here? like, obviously no one TRs someone with no content? but doesn't mean I'm voting them out now?
SS has some lines I like - "not really being TRed by anyone" is a lie there, I've voiced a slight tr earlier

and I still haven't read a single midway post so idk there


I don't like how another person is now "I'm sheeping IV here" like uhhh what?

[Faker]

Like I

guess

a reading of that is I got him to actually think about the previous games with me? That still would not be great but at least isn't an outright lie/slip.