Open 840 - Guardians of the Fortress [Game Over]

[implosion]

that it was 1-1-1 pre-swap, and therefore that scum had a choice to make a swap that included gate but chose not to.

[Tanner]

Right now I'm not entirely sure why we should drastically adjust reads in other games based on how earlier games flip anyhow - again having accurate reads in game X while playing in game Y does not really make one more likely to be town.

The one kind of analysis I do think is directly valid in this way is the analysis around whether the game was 1-1-1 or 2-1-0. That is to say, if we flip wall and keep before gate, and it turns out it was 2-1-0 before the swap, then suddenly any argument around imaginality not wanting to 1v1 VP becomes much less valid, because imaginality would have been forced to 1v1 either VP or Tanner. If it turns out it was 1-1-1 before the swap, then suddenly those arguments gain additional credence because we'd then have to account for why exactly scum chose to swap this pair of people.

imagine if scum!implo wrote this post, that would be fuckin wild man

my problem is, well, that implo-pav swap kinda Makes Sense regardless if it was 1-1-1 or 2-1-0. if it's 2-1-0, they yeet pav into keep who's likely never getting voted, and the strongest townread is at the wall who basically guarantees a win there. so that makes sense. if it's 1-1-1 and implo is town, it *still* makes sense to throw pav into the keep since that essentially again turns it into a 50/50 because we're never voting pav, and they have a 50/50 at the wall, and maybe i am confbiased i don't wanna do this ._.

[VP Baltar]

Alright. I guess I just feel like the gate is a much easier solve than the wall, all things considered. And that's not just me saying what I've been saying. It's just still a 50/50 at heart. I don't see a legit reason to do the wall first unless Tanner really is completely lost, which I don't think is the case.

[Tanner]

Alright. I guess I just feel like the gate is a much easier solve than the wall, all things considered.

it is, that's the problem

if i fuck it up, i will be The Person That Screwed Up The Easy Minigame and maybe even Cost Town The Game OuO

[VP Baltar]

Alright. I guess I just feel like the gate is a much easier solve than the wall, all things considered.

it is, that's the problem

if i fuck it up, i will be The Person That Screwed Up The Easy Minigame and maybe even Cost Town The Game OuO

I mean, if you choose wrong, it's still not on you. It's on the town at the wall to...actually play the game.

I feel like you and I have done all we can do here to help.

[Tanner]

hmm

if implo is scum, that means imaginality is scum, because it doesn't make sense for baltar to not once, but twice shove his buddy into a game that is already got 1 scum and 1 town (first agreeing implo goes with him/imag, then sending him to keep)

if implo is town, that means imaginality is town, because scum decided to keep the gate (haha) the same way it was and why would they do that unless? vp is a scumfuck pocketing me

there we go game solved i am sure there are no problems with the above at all (:

[VP Baltar]

vp is a scumfuck

*pull up mechanics hat and wipes grease from hands on a rag*

Well, that's yer problem right there.

[Tanner]

look if we want to resolve gate first that's fine. I was saying wall should go first if Tanner wants to know that I'm town because me being town is in principal very relevant information for reading Gate.

ok wait pause

this post and the one before implies that you have a certain degree of certainty that 1-1-1 is decently scum!indicative for baltar, no?

so why are you like, very timid around it instead of going full force "yo tanner you should uhh fuckin yeet vp"?

[implosion]

because I think VP is significantly townier if I ignore that fact.

[RH9]

hmm

if implo is scum, that means imaginality is scum, because it doesn't make sense for baltar to not once, but twice shove his buddy into a game that is already got 1 scum and 1 town (first agreeing implo goes with him/imag, then sending him to keep)

if implo is town, that means imaginality is town, because scum decided to keep the gate (haha) the same way it was and why would they do that unless? vp is a scumfuck pocketing me

there we go game solved i am sure there are no problems with the above at all (:

So, are you suggesting that we flip Wall first? Because, I don't mind. The worst thing that can happen is that we mess up Wall.
But, first, let me ask you something. What if implosion and imaginality have different alignments? Though, you might not find it likely, there is a still a chance for that to happen. For example, you claim that Baltar is scum pockeing you but imaginality has the opportunity to attempt that too.

[implosion]

also it's not our company's job to provide policy recommendations - we simply tell the lobbyists what outcomes we want and

they

write policies to support those outcomes.

[RH9]

hmm

if implo is scum, that means imaginality is scum, because it doesn't make sense for baltar to not once, but twice shove his buddy into a game that is already got 1 scum and 1 town (first agreeing implo goes with him/imag, then sending him to keep)

if implo is town, that means imaginality is town, because scum decided to keep the gate (haha) the same way it was and why would they do that unless? vp is a scumfuck pocketing me

there we go game solved i am sure there are no problems with the above at all (:

So, are you suggesting that we flip Wall first? Because, I don't mind. The worst thing that can happen is that we mess up Wall.
But, first, let me ask you something. What if implosion and imaginality have different alignments? Though, you might not find it likely, there is a still a chance for that to happen. For example, you claim that Baltar is scum pockeing you but imaginality has the opportunity to attempt that too.

Just my opinion, by the way. I want you to consider all the possibilities other than the two where imaginality and implosion share an alignment.

[Tanner]

rh9, that post was a 90% shitpost

who is scum between baltar/imag and who is scum between you/nq/implo?

[RH9]

rh9, that post was a 90% shitpost

who is scum between baltar/imag and who is scum between you/nq/implo?

I am leaning scum!numberQ because I don't think that scum!implosion would tell swap himself to the Wall and then tell everybody, in a post directed towards me, that Wall is the easiest game to win as scum. If implosion is scum, he certainly is an openwolf. I think that both imaginality and Baltar has a chance to be scum, but I've been trying to direct my solving efforts on my minigame as implosion recommended to numberQ in 1305. But still in my opinion, imaginality's posts are more refined and polished than Baltar's. However, this just might be imaginality's playstyle.

[Tanner]

i mean... wall being the easiest game for scum is a factual statement. and one scum must always end up at the wall. how is that openwolfy or town!indicative.

and, imaginality's posts are more refined than baltar's. yeah. how is that relevant to alignment?

[RH9]

i mean... wall being the easiest game for scum is a factual statement. and one scum must always end up at the wall. how is that openwolfy or town!indicative.

and, imaginality's posts are more refined than baltar's. yeah. how is that relevant to alignment?

Just that I didn't know that Wall was the easiest. Like scum!implosion probably would realise that if he doesn't have to say it while town!implosion wants to help and thus says it. And I am bad at differentiating playstyles from stuff that is AI. So, maybe Baltar can be scum. Still don't see why scum!Baltar would not refine his posts more. In general, scum tends to make their posts look more thought-out and refined.

[Tanner]

but like... scum!implo doesn't actually lose anything by you being aware the wall is easiest for scum...?

[RH9]

but like... scum!implo doesn't actually lose anything by you being aware the wall is easiest for scum...?

Oh dear. I didn't know this. Maybe, implosion has a possibility to be scum, after all.

[Tanner]

i feel like, 95% of the time i read a post of yours, i have no clue if it's sarcasm or not, and that fascinates me

[RH9]

I did not know that I am

that

sarcastic.

[VP Baltar]

I left and came back and still no hammer. Tanner, what can we do to get you into this new car today?

[VP Baltar]

I'll throw in the undercoating for free.

[implosion]

i feel like,

95

105% of the time i read a post of yours, i have no clue if it's sarcasm or not, and that fascinates me

[Tanner]

sell me why this isn't your scumgame - without ate-y stuff

[implosion]

did you know that "tanner alter ego" slant rhymes with "hammer baltar eLo", and that it's much harder to come up with a slant rhyme using "imaginality"?

this is not policy advice, simply an observation about the english language