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[MegAzumarill]

They sit perfectly in the intentional distancing region from frogs

[MegAzumarill]

Why are we dead set against house?

I'm looking at this game and and I have no clue why there seems to be an idea that house> me solves it?

Someone give me a rundown

[Quiet Owl]

VOTECOUNT

House (1): Testarossa
Testarossa (1): House
Dwlee99 (1): Datisi

The leading wagon is

bolded

.
With 7 alive, it takes 4 to reach a decision. The deadline is in

(expired on 2022-01-09 07:05:18)

. If a majority is not reached by then, the result will be no elimination.

[Datisi]

dwlee!scum is mostly poe for me because most people are townie, i am giving meg one more day, and i have a feeling scum might have left me alive so that they can hide behind my house push and then kill me tonight. and i don't think dwlee did anything to make me think "they are town"

the reason why i don't think andante is scum is because i don't think it makes ANY sense to bus frogs the way she did. at the time of the start of her push against frogs, they were kinda being scumread sorta but no votes were on them. entering that gamestate and starting to hardpush frogs there makes absolutely no sense because that hardpush can easily pull some of those "frogs is kinda scummy i guess idk" townies onto the wagon and then you're capital f fucked lol

i'd like to ask everyone who isn't voting (meg, kenny, dwlee, andante) to take some stances and figure out who they think is the last scumbutt

[Andante]

VOTE: House

[Dwlee99]

It's still the holidays though

[Dwlee99]

i don't think dwlee did anything to make me think "they are town"

But I think I did day one, enough that people had me out of the poes and we killed a scum butt with my help

[Quiet Owl]

VOTECOUNT

House (2): Testarossa, Andante
Testarossa (1): House
Dwlee99 (1): Datisi

The leading wagon is

bolded

.
With 7 alive, it takes 4 to reach a decision. The deadline is in

(expired on 2022-01-09 07:05:18)

. If a majority is not reached by then, the result will be no elimination.

[Testarossa]

Not going to post too much rn as I am quite sick, but I will try.

Atm I feel pretty good about Andante and Datisi being town. Andante's hard push on frogs doesn't look like a bus imo, also frogs reacting pretty defensively and focusing on Andante kind of locked them in a 1v1 at the end of D1, which looked pretty unnecessary to me. I am also pretty hesitant about the extent of frogs distancing considering their partner is most likely a scum pr.

I actually had some doubts about Datisi as I am not townreading him as strongly as usual and I think the emperor nk could indicate coming from him as he was the only one who felt not so good about Datisi. However I really doubt he busses his newbie partner with a yolo vote and snitches him out like in 347, which just made frogs look worse. In consequence I suspect emperor got just killed because scum chickened out from killing the obvious target Andante in fear of town prs.

dwlee has been a frog sitting on a water lily and chilling peacefully for most of the game which is why I had them mostly as null. Tbh I am not that sold yet on seeing them as town, could be the most possible bus vote maybe. I think the small dissonance between them and frogs when dwlee started to dislike frogs for the readslist doesn't feel like something that happens between scum partners though.

[Testarossa]

I townread kenny for his explanations for his Andante scumread, but rereading his ISO I also realized I need more from him about other/new suspicions as he was pretty tame otherwise and mostly focused on Andante.

Tbh I scumread House less than Meg, what is mostly bugging me is that this slot literally voted every major wagon on D1 (besides dwlee) and that frogs always bothered to take a neutral position on bugs and later House when, while always being unsure how to weigh in on them while there were no real stances about their other nullreads.

[Testarossa]

I plan to do some analysis with emp flipping so not sure atm

What came out of this, Meg?

Look, things like this are the root of my hard scumread on you. You have several of these posts where you ask people about something or throw something in, but never really follow up on these like you wouldn't really be interested in these.

Why do you still think Andante would be scum? You were there when Andante started trying and the frogswagon was on E-2. Can you explain why you were still scumreading Andante then? (as I assume because of not unvoting her and being unhappy with frogs lim)

[Testarossa]

House, going by your 407 that one part of your scumread seems to be solely(?) based on site meta. Putting me in a template when you don't know me with common site meta from here won't really work well as I am coming from a different site with roughly different meta. On what are you basing the impression that I would approach the game like that as scum as you suggested?

Why do you think my null(scum)read on frogs is more likely coming from a scum partner, right after I included frogs in my poe instead of just plainly scumreading them when I am warming up for a "bus" anyway? Also why exactly my stance on frogs over others, as I think only Andante and dwlee have bothered to have given reads on them? (Datisi maybe too, idk) If you go by this nullread approach what gives you the push for me over others that didn't even had a read on frogs?

[Testarossa]

At those who think Meg and frogs can't be partners: Why?

[MegAzumarill]

I plan to do some analysis with emp flipping so not sure atm

What came out of this, Meg?

Look, things like this are the root of my hard scumread on you. You have several of these posts where you ask people about something or throw something in, but never really follow up on these like you wouldn't really be interested in these.

Why do you still think Andante would be scum? You were there when Andante started trying and the frogswagon was on E-2. Can you explain why you were still scumreading Andante then? (as I assume because of not unvoting her and being unhappy with frogs lim)

Emp analysis didn't give me much and I don't suspect andante (as much) anymore

Early in the day I did make a mistake and only read half of andante's day 1 ISO but have since realized my mistake

[Andante]

house maf. that easy

[kennyk]

At those who think Meg and frogs can't be partners: Why?

I think they can't be partners because frogs flipped scum and I believe Meg is town. And before the next question arrives: I think Meg is town because of one post they made which makes absolutely no sense as scum. No, I won't quote it here. I quess scum didn't see it and its implications, so I leave it at that.

[Datisi]

i don't think dwlee did anything to make me think "they are town"

But I think I did day one, enough that people had me out of the poes and we killed a scum butt with my help

other people having you out of their poes =/= me having you out of my poe

unless you want to make a very convincing argument why i should trust the reads everyone else has on you, i don't really see the point

However I really doubt he busses his newbie partner with a yolo vote and snitches him out like in 347, which just made frogs look worse.

ehh. i'm not scum, but this is a pretty bad reason for townreading me. if i'm already bussing, i'm gonna be smearing dirt on my partner any way i can.

also feel better soon!

[MegAzumarill]

house maf. that easy

Hope so

[kennyk]

Had some time at hand and did some ISOing and I started with a player I had no real read about: Dwlee99.

Here is what I got:
First post: frogs = conftown for profile picture
Next comes a series of back and forth postings between them and Datisi stating Datisi is scum (For no real reason?)
Post 143/144 vote on Bugspray (with the E-1 intermezzo on Andante). No reason is given why they voted Bugspray.
Quoting this post frogs asks them, what they think about Andante (no word on why the vote is on bugs)
Answer: Andante seems townish. Frogs is still conftown
Post 175: All scum is in Datisi/Emperor/Meg/Bugspray
Some more back and forth with Datisi
Post 220: readlist, frogs takes Datisis seat in the scumgroup because of their readlist and the slayers gambit. ??? on Meg and Emporer
Post 333: E-1 on frogs
Content on day 2: nothing noteworthy

frogs on the other hand had the following interaction with Dwlee99:
First Post: vote on Dwlee
Post 202: Dwlee is one of two scumleans
Post 285: Asks Meg why they switched their vote to Dwlee. Later wants to know why Meg thinks Dwlee is scummy
Post 352: VT claim and: "Meg/Dwlee nor Meg/Andante can't be maf together but I'd bet at least one of them."

I know it could be coincidents, but...
... both players first posts are about each other.
... both read the other player as scum in their readlists (distancing?)
... Dwlee hopping on the wagon more than 100 posts after the readlist. Part of a bus?
... further distancing with frogs final post. The focus is on Meg, but Dwlee is there, too.
... the ??? in the readlist could have been there to signal, that they believed those could be PRs. Meg had had some pressure on them and was seen somewhat dubious, so a d2 miselim could be a possible result. So the other ??? had to be NKed.
... there is not much of a scumhunting attitude in Dwlees posts.

This is not a solid case, but as good as any, so I
VOTE: Dwlee99
now. Maybe I'll switch, if further ISOs (hopefully later today) reveal a more promissing target.

[Datisi]

... the ??? in the readlist could have been there to signal, that they believed those could be PRs. Meg had had some pressure on them and was seen somewhat dubious, so a d2 miselim could be a possible result. So the other ??? had to be NKed.

why would scum signal to each other who tprs might be in the main thread when they have a scum pt to talk in?

[kennyk]

... the ??? in the readlist could have been there to signal, that they believed those could be PRs. Meg had had some pressure on them and was seen somewhat dubious, so a d2 miselim could be a possible result. So the other ??? had to be NKed.

why would scum signal to each other who tprs might be in the main thread when they have a scum pt to talk in?

I guess that it's sometimes better to reread a post before clicking on submit. I changed the wording of that line, but it went from bad to worse. The final version should have been "... the ??? in the readlist could have been

a

signal, that they believed those could be PRs.".
It was definitely not meant to be understood as a kind of communication between scummies. I do in fact know, that scum has day PT (although not from own experience).

[Dwlee99]

I feel like people should townread me for scumreading Datisi during his slayer's portion and then realizing this is probably town!tisi after the play was explained. I also E-1'd frogs and just left cause busy, and frogs claimed VT where I probably tell them to claim PR cause <reasons>

[Dwlee99]

My progression on frogs also just isn't scum progression imo

I have "haha meme conftown -> why did I townread? -> remembering meme conftown -> that reads list sucked you go in my scum pile -> E-1ing frogs"

[Dwlee99]

Dwlee hopping on the wagon more than 100 posts after the readlist. Part of a bus?

Also this is so wack cause if you were ISOing me you'd see (like I just did) that I had no posts between the reads list and the vote besides a post immediately before the vote saying I agree with the poe

[Dwlee99]

And it was Dec 23 - 26 sooo the holidays where I was seeing friends and family