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Post Post #2050 (ISO) » Mon Jan 03, 2022 6:41 am

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In post 2045, PookyTheMagicalBear wrote:in my last town game I shitpushed a town player to death on d1

then i shitpushed another town player to death on d2

then i was the game losing elim on d3.

I'm not here to impose my will on this game.
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Post Post #2051 (ISO) » Mon Jan 03, 2022 6:42 am

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In post 2034, SirCakez wrote:
In post 2031, innocentvillager wrote:
In post 2025, SirCakez wrote:
In post 1982, innocentvillager wrote:Ive basically never seen scum claim impulsively like that before for no reason so im fine with mare being strong town
This is not great logic
y not?
Because scum would do that I don't think it's AI at all
sure it's possible, seems like a difference of experience ive just never really seen it

if you want to convince me otherwise u could show me some examples where you think this happened but idk if it's worth ur effort
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Post Post #2052 (ISO) » Mon Jan 03, 2022 6:43 am

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In post 2050, Faker wrote:If only you had a player you had a 100% read rate to regain your confidence in shoving, that would be great
so are you scum or what?
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Post Post #2053 (ISO) » Mon Jan 03, 2022 6:43 am

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idk just like almost every scumteam ive been on did not do anything rash without approval of the team in PT and i can't see why they would agree to let mare just claim for literally no reason (other than for the wifom that maybe maybe she gets townread for it but i don't think scumteams do this enough)
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Post Post #2054 (ISO) » Mon Jan 03, 2022 6:45 am

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In post 2052, PookyTheMagicalBear wrote:
In post 2050, Faker wrote:If only you had a player you had a 100% read rate to regain your confidence in shoving, that would be great
so are you scum or what?
Yeah dude, comb through my ISO and start shoving.
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Post Post #2055 (ISO) » Mon Jan 03, 2022 6:46 am

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In post 2049, catboi wrote:Mare doesn't take neighborizer as scum with her draft position
oh yeah this is a good point

i mean porlly she shouldn't as town either tbh but it's more likely to come from town than scum given that she did it so i agree
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Post Post #2056 (ISO) » Mon Jan 03, 2022 6:47 am

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In post 2054, Faker wrote:Yeah dude, comb through my ISO and start shoving.
you can't steal my troll lines that's illegal
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Post Post #2057 (ISO) » Mon Jan 03, 2022 6:48 am

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don't the numbers say that the neighbourizer is like a 17/18 a town role or something - i think the pyp i ran in august was the first time in history it was a scum role, and scum beat like 3 townies who all went for neighborizer
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Post Post #2058 (ISO) » Mon Jan 03, 2022 6:48 am

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So for cat
In post 1960, catboi wrote:
In post 1698, Faker wrote:Cat if you don't carry me and vote scum I am willing to yeet you our the window
why would you
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I get that this is likely hyperbolic and just trying to kick my butt into action but I read it at the exact wrong time

read the next few pages and had very little I want to talk about. Maybe I'll try again tomorrow. I'm not really in the mood for any more tonight.
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Post Post #2059 (ISO) » Mon Jan 03, 2022 6:48 am

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In post 2042, PookyTheMagicalBear wrote:skitter who do you actually think you can get to vote for SA at this point?
i'm kinda running out of options (again, noting that that's bizarre given how little content he has, it really shouldn't be impossible to get more then 2 votes on him)

which is when i turned to contemplate the broader gamestate

and again i'm noting that i think you're scum with him

pedit i'm like p sure i had neighborizer as scum 2x
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Post Post #2060 (ISO) » Mon Jan 03, 2022 6:49 am

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mwb has like picked it up like a tiny bit and interacted a little bit more but just like

he kinda looked at my push and went "meh ok ill try harder"

and he did like a little bit

idk what all of this means for his alignment, and i don't know that him continuing behavior he's already been accused of is scum!indicative at all

really at the end of the day im just left weakly scumreading him for all the stuff he did before i pushed him
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Post Post #2061 (ISO) » Mon Jan 03, 2022 6:49 am

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In post 2055, innocentvillager wrote:
In post 2049, catboi wrote:Mare doesn't take neighborizer as scum with her draft position
oh yeah this is a good point

i mean porlly she shouldn't as town either tbh but it's more likely to come from town than scum given that she did it so i agree
town does whatever but unless her teammates are in andante/skitter/midway (unlikely) taking neighborizer there is a throw
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Post Post #2062 (ISO) » Mon Jan 03, 2022 6:49 am

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In post 2059, skitter30 wrote:pedit i'm like p sure i had neighborizer as scum 2x
i'm talking pyp games

if i'm correctly recalling the the thread s_s made, at that time it was 16/16 town
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Post Post #2063 (ISO) » Mon Jan 03, 2022 6:50 am

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what is the utility of neighborizer honestly? it doesn't confirm anything about alignment at all

it just seems like kind of a useless role i don't understand why anyone would want it
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Post Post #2064 (ISO) » Mon Jan 03, 2022 6:51 am

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PT Fun.
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Post Post #2065 (ISO) » Mon Jan 03, 2022 6:51 am

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In post 2058, Faker wrote:So for cat
In post 1960, catboi wrote:
In post 1698, Faker wrote:Cat if you don't carry me and vote scum I am willing to yeet you our the window
why would you
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I get that this is likely hyperbolic and just trying to kick my butt into action but I read it at the exact wrong time

read the next few pages and had very little I want to talk about. Maybe I'll try again tomorrow. I'm not really in the mood for any more tonight.
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I'm going to vote you if I think you're the best vote available. I hope you won't be.
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Post Post #2066 (ISO) » Mon Jan 03, 2022 6:51 am

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In post 2044, Mare wrote:Okay, so no one bit on me trying to save my buddy. What’s the scum motivation I have for not following up at all with it, not intervening, not changing to bus, like...

Like I just say “why” do nothing he dies and then there’s this awkward beat there in an ISO that has already left me POE’d...?
fwiw although i dont' think that's what you were doing there, i can understand why cakez thought it looked liked trying to defend a buddy, and i dont' think scum who is trying to defend a buddy necessarily follows up either, you don't want to call *too* much attention to your defense of your partner

pedit oh actually i think i only was only neighborizer once, i do have a very distinct memory of being in a hood one of those games but upon recollection i dont' think it was me

i did pick it at least once tho

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Post Post #2067 (ISO) » Mon Jan 03, 2022 6:51 am

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In post 2057, Datisi wrote:don't the numbers say that the neighbourizer is like a 17/18 a town role or something - i think the pyp i ran in august was the first time in history it was a scum role, and scum beat like 3 townies who all went for neighborizer
Yep. Though my stats didn't count the Venrob's PYP game, where skitter did take neighborizer as scum. (But that was weird anyway because it was opposite gunsmith and she claimed gunsmith, and taking neighborizer as town there would be such an awful play.)
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Post Post #2068 (ISO) » Mon Jan 03, 2022 6:52 am

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neighborizer better role than ascetic cop amirite :3
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Post Post #2069 (ISO) » Mon Jan 03, 2022 6:52 am

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In post 2046, innocentvillager wrote:skit what is going on with your mare read
it occured to me that i don't think scum-her chooses neighborizer at that position
(and last time she was near the top she went for a good scum pick too)

pedit what i was doing i really don't know
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Post Post #2070 (ISO) » Mon Jan 03, 2022 6:52 am

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*last time she was near the top as scum i meant
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Post Post #2071 (ISO) » Mon Jan 03, 2022 6:53 am

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I think Mare is probably town but people play on secret alts to get away with stuff they wouldn't get away with on their mains. If the alt is already semi-outed I would appreciate if it could be fully outed.
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Post Post #2072 (ISO) » Mon Jan 03, 2022 6:54 am

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Post Post #2073 (ISO) » Mon Jan 03, 2022 6:54 am

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In post 2060, innocentvillager wrote:really at the end of the day im just left weakly scumreading him for all the stuff he did before i pushed him
I agree with skitter about the gamestate is rn. She made the observation that only two people are voting sleepless and I think only three are voting me right now. I think the current lack of consensus means we end up just deflecting onto Sleepless or me at the end. Tbh, it seems like few people have super strong scumreads so im somewhat tempted just to sheep mare lol
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Post Post #2074 (ISO) » Mon Jan 03, 2022 6:55 am

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