open 841: concgratulations to the winners and losers

[midwaybear]

i can't recall a time where he was seriously pushed. the only time ive actually seen him get flipped was as scum in 2167 when he finally got flashed he put up very little resistance and just memed and rolled over after playing pretty well for most of the early game.

I got pushed in Chromatic Ascension and Mini Normal 2195 (where I was actually pushed by scum Datisi lol). So you can look at my final posts there if you want to see how town!me reacts to elim pressure (and I was elimed in both games).

[Something_Smart]

What did you think I would do as town though? Put up a fight? I mean I probably would.

so you're not town but if you were town you probably would put up a fight

????????

I did a double take but I think it was more likely just bad phrasing.

[midwaybear]

people got distracted on other slots that were more polarizing

True, but are we getting distracted by polarizing slots here? I don't really think so.

[innocentvillager]

im fucking trolling somehow. midway is just town somehow and i am fucking blind, that's the only reason this is going on right

[innocentvillager]

i actually don't know what is going on anymore

[innocentvillager]

What did you think I would do as town though? Put up a fight? I mean I probably would.

so you're not town but if you were town you probably would put up a fight

????????

I did a double take but I think it was more likely just bad phrasing.

are you sure?

[midwaybear]

lol glad that you are getting the right read on me?

im not really sure why you had either of these reactions

Also, to answer your question here. I thought that when you were asking skitter to vote me with you, that you were doing the same thing you called Pooky out for doing (tiger trap). I thought you were townreading me there, but it seems like that was a coincidence and you genuinely just wanted to vote me with skitter lol

[Something_Smart]

are you sure?

I am sure that I currently believe that it was more likely poor phrasing than a scumslip.

[innocentvillager]

what no i still think ur scum im just considering the possibility that im just insane and tunneled on you because it seems im the only one at this point and ya i keep thinking things youre doing are scummy but it's feeling like a whole circlejerk in my head of "am i just confbiased" or is it real

[innocentvillager]

lol glad that you are getting the right read on me?

im not really sure why you had either of these reactions

Also, to answer your question here. I thought that when you were asking skitter to vote me with you, that you were doing the same thing you called Pooky out for doing (tiger trap). I thought you were townreading me there, but it seems like that was a coincidence and you genuinely just wanted to vote me with skitter lol

i didn't do it for the same reason pooky did it but yeah i was alluding to pooky's earlier request lol.

[northsidegal]

scumslips never ever ever happen unless someone literally quotes from the scum PT and

even then

if it's just a link to a private thread maybe they were quoting from a notes PT or something accidentally. despite saying this to people i still every so often get the unshakeable feeling that some post was a scumslip but it just never turns out well, you should just always discard the possibility unless it's

actually

like completely 100% undoubtable.

[innocentvillager]

i caught alisae on what was essentially a scumslip in defcon mafia and e self imploded after e gave a shitty explanation

[northsidegal]

link?

[innocentvillager]

What did you think I would do as town though? Put up a fight? I mean I probably would. But even though I agreed with skitter that the gamestate would probably push the elim onto someone like me sleepless (and flow ig), it doesn't seem to rlly be deflecting on me so there's not much of a reason.

okay midway

so you're saying you would probably put up a fight IF there was real pressure on you here, but you don't feel like there's real pressure so you're not? is that how i should read this quote?

[Faker]

I sit around all day and y'all motherfuckers wait until I am out shotgun night fishing to roll through

[northsidegal]

also to pre-emptively add more nuance before even seeing it, my point was that the ratio of actual scumslips to things that people perceive as scumslips is so tilted in favor of things that aren't actually scumslips that on a purely probabalistic level you should almost always just remind yourself of how infrequent they are and like firmly cement in your mind the fact that they almost never happen whenever you notice something you think may be one.

[Faker]

I mean maybe there's a practical difference in probability but I have seen these slips a million times from both alignments

I have seen mechanical TMI slips but that's about it

[innocentvillager]

https://forum.mafiascum.net/viewtopic.php?f=3&t=86449

i don't really want to discuss this at length because this scumslip is not like in any way related to what midway said just now, but i provided it for your oog reference i guess

my only point was literally just that it's possible to scumslip. not in the sense that it makes them 100% to be scum.

basically e slipped that they knew who the nightkill was, then 12 seconds later made a passing comment that someone else could've been the nightkill. I grilled em about this and e come up with a really shitty fake reasoning. e probably could've came up with a less damning reason but didn't. i think some people in that game didn't think it was really a slip - i disagree.

but again that's a separate game.

pedit: ive seen that theory before and there's probably some truth to it

[midwaybear]

I don't get a good feeling from you saying that
Yes, you are reading it correctly now more or less.

[Faker]

Should note that I think the probability distribution I'm getting at is more specific than NSG's, reading hers that context might be confusing.

[northsidegal]

Should note that I think the probability distribution I'm getting at is more specific than NSG's, reading hers that context might be confusing.

i'm a little confused myself, i think – what do you mean?

[innocentvillager]

also im pretty sure some guy years ago on here once said "I am also cop" when ccing a claimed cop and got instayeeted.

[midwaybear]

UNVOTE:
I am willing to vote flow right now cuz I think I was too lenient on my read earlier.

[northsidegal]

i guess i don't really consider those "scumslips" in my understanding of the word, moreso just game-throwing blunders? i guess i might be splitting hairs, though.

[Mare]

Kind of very exhausted what is happening?