open 841: concgratulations to the winners and losers

[northsidegal]

nobody has really even presented any real reason for him being scum

Alright time to yeet myself out of MafiaScum.net and join a lawnmower enthusiast forum instead

i mean yeah to respond to this seriously even if you were joking, if my count is correct we have skitter, Datisi, Sleepless, catboi, Cakez, and IV on flow right now, and i really think that what i said there was more or less accurate.

Datisi's reasoning appears to be flow going "from spam to silence when things started happening, and i don't have better scumreads currently".

Flow trap's reasoning is that he's scum "for his spam/meme posting. It feels like trying to maintain a presence without really doing much. And his content didn't seem to be anything that would get him into trouble if he's scum".

catboi went a bit more in-depth in 2313, but his read on flow's meta and my read on his meta don't really track. i'd really appreciate if he could actually give some examples of what he was talking about – i

am

completely open to having my mind changed if the evidence is actually there, but it doesn't match with what i saw myself.

SirCakez has said "flow is unreadable IMO but I haven't seen anything really townie I guess so I'd rather get rid of them", which is really really not a good reason to be voting someone.

IV seems to be voting for tonal reasons after having read flow's ISO, which I want to sort of get into later.


To be clear, flow trap absolutely could be scum, but I don't find any of the reasons presented here compelling, whereas I do think that there are compelling reasons to vote sleepless.

[northsidegal]

@nsg how do you feel about this argument for voting flow? you know him right?

i don't really "know" flow (andante seems to, though!) but from what i've reviewed it just doesn't seem to match with what i saw. the impression that i got was that he spent less time joking around as scum and tended to go more into asking questions earlier, seemingly making a deliberate effort to be townread. like i said much earlier, i would guess that flow is probably more comfortable as town than as scum, and i think that the behavior he displayed early on in this game seems to match that town comfort more than scum discomfort.

[Faker]

Okay, thanks I appreciate it I guess, but I want you to know that when I trash my laptop, drive to Home Depot in 10 minutes, and gift my car to the cashier so I can ride home in a new RYOBI RY48110 48V Riding Lawnmower, it is your fault.

[northsidegal]

i didn't really find anything very convincing on sleepless

if either of you would like to resummarize/requote then ill take another look

i'll restate my own points:
- sleepless

had

time in the thread while working on his catch-up post, but seemingly displayed little interest in meaningful real-time interactions
- sleepless' large post and interactions with datisi are mostly devoid of meaningful, town indicative content
- both me and skitter have independently gotten the feeling that sleepless is playing similarly to a previous scumgame (that both me and skitter were in) and dissimilar to a recent towngame (that skitter was in)

[innocentvillager]

catboi went a bit more in-depth in 2313, but his read on flow's meta and my read on his meta don't really track. i'd really appreciate if he could actually give some examples of what he was talking about – i am completely open to having my mind changed if the evidence is actually there, but it doesn't match with what i saw myself.

im very invested in this conversation and would like to see some sort of consensus about the meta not two polar opposite opinions, one incriminating flow one vindicating him

[Faker]

This is funny to me since I spent three weeks or so locked in a cage with flow trap and my conclusion was this dude unreadable YEET

[northsidegal]

shrug

even if that is the case (which was my opinion at the start of this game) i would still rather vote someone i scumread than someone who's unreadable

[schadd_]

seeking replacement for pooky

[SirCakez]

SirCakez has said "flow is unreadable IMO but I haven't seen anything really townie I guess so I'd rather get rid of them", which is really really not a good reason to be voting someone.

Well obviously I expressed that this is not the wagon I want today

[Faker]

That was in response to IV not to you north

[innocentvillager]

i'll restate my own points:
- sleepless had time in the thread while working on his catch-up post, but seemingly displayed little interest in meaningful real-time interactions

ill give you that this is maybe a very slight point against him, but nothing makes me think this has to be scum indicative. if i was behind and i was working on a huge catch up wall i would be hyping that up too and very focused on that

- sleepless' large post and interactions with datisi are mostly devoid of meaningful, town indicative content

i can't remember the last time i saw a catchup wall (specifically for the purpose of catchup, not just any wall) and went omg they're so town. i think the wall line-by-line was pretty null and it seems you agree - we're just extrapolating about his alignment differently, you think it means specifically that he's scum and i don't really think it's anything because i expect walls to be nully to an extent.

interactions with datisi seemed fine, i think not meaningful seems like a stretch, i also had anxiety about datisi meta and he seemed to get at that issue which was refreshing for me to see. sure nothing line by line town indicative but again i feel like i could say that about a lot of players in this plist. sleepless has been in catchup mode and just not here all that much so it's hard for me to confidently put him south of null for this

- both me and skitter have independently gotten the feeling that sleepless is playing similarly to a previous scumgame (that both me and skitter were in) and dissimilar to a recent towngame (that skitter was in)

it does feel like this game has been moving really really fast and he himself said that's why he's not nearly as present. seems like a reasonable explanation - even i struggle to get into obvtown mode when im perpetually behind. So this doesn't seem super indicative to me. I'd probably want to take a look at the scumgame to further review this.

there's also just not that much to go off of with sleepless in general with how little he's here which is kind of tough for reading him. i don't have a strong opinion on him but it's leantown because he seems focused on getting out his thoughts which seem clear and not agenda driven. could his only agenda just be survival, sure maybe? maybe there's a ting of gut in there that makes me leantown him? idk.

[Faker]

My brain just refuses to get out of shitposting gear today, I'll go make coffee or something and see if I can actually contribute something valuable.

Rare, but occasionally happens

[innocentvillager]

This is funny to me since I spent three weeks or so locked in a cage with flow trap and my conclusion was this dude unreadable YEET

so do you think both catboi and nsg are wrong then in their assessment of flow? seems like you've done more meta diving than them?

[Faker]

I'll revisit in a bit I guess

[schadd_]

this year . . our year

vote count 1.8 !

flow trap (5):

skitter30, Datisi, Sleepless Assassin, SirCakez, innocentvillager

Sleepless Assassin (4):

northsidegal, PookyTheMagicalBear, Faker, Andante

SirCakez (2):

catboi, Mare

midwaybear (1):

flow trap

skitter30 (1):

Something_Smart

not voting (1):

midwaybear

14 are alive, and it takes 8 votes to posthumously nominate someone for the rock and roll hall of fame. day 1 ends in ------------

other ideas

• did you know that skitter30 is vla on fridays and saturdays? also in general?
  
• deadline will be 48 hours after the replacement lands

[innocentvillager]

i can switch back, like i said i'm happy either way at this point but i don't think sleepless is getting more than 3 votes

(which, for the sixth time, is bizarre)

also this isn't that bizarre to me because like no one has really gotten more than 3 votes except now with the EOD struggle, im not sure why you found it bizarre

by that logic isn't it also bizarre how midway never got more than 3 votes?

[innocentvillager]

deadline will be 48 hours after the replacement lands

lmao okay we're chilling we have some time guys. let's use it and rethink. we don't necessarily need to do flow or sleepless today anymore.

[catboi]

This is funny to me since I spent three weeks or so locked in a cage with flow trap and my conclusion was this dude unreadable YEET

so do you think both catboi and nsg are wrong then in their assessment of flow? seems like you've done more meta diving than them?

I feel like obviously the implication is yes?

will try to go into detail on my own view when I'm not at work and can concentrate

[Faker]

Okay, I'm in gear now.

Would like to hear more from skitter about staying on flow. The Pooky announcement has been replaced so I can talk about it.

Pooky has previously spoken about the integrity of replacing out:

I have never replaced out in 18 years and it would be highly unfair for the scum team for me to replace out.

One thing I really hate when I play scum is when I maneuver town into losing positions and then someone just presses the eject button to completely change the game state.

it's bullshit and completely unfair for game integrity.

Here, the replaceout stemmed directly from me pushing him. This is the definition of a strategic replacement, I don't think it's in his wheelhouse, and the only way I can think of it is a combination of extreme salt over getting caught and both of his partners encouraging him to take care of himself and leave rather than suffer in a Catch-22. I think he'd just take the L, even if he thought I was stupid and wrong.

[Faker]

The Pooky announcement has been replaced so I can talk about it.

I, uh. Maybe I'm not in gear yet.

[Something_Smart]

Lol

[Faker]

I guess I should clear up the context of "Why does he replace as town if it's game-compromising bullshit?", and the answer is he did as town shortly after that quote because he at least somewhat realized how much of a meltdown he was having.

Likely took the same route here.

[catboi]

Not really going to make alignment speculation w/r/t the replacement request. Not because I think it's unethical (and even if you block it people are just going to hide behind other reasons anyway), but because that kind of thing can easily be inaccurate and lead to bad reads

[schadd_]

menalque replaces pooky. we shall have a deadline in (expired on 2022-01-06 14:00:00)

[Datisi]

oh hello there