Holiday Dance Party ---- Game Over

[GuiltyLion]

oh this is gonna take me a while probably

why do you think RH9 is never scum again

I still have half a mind that Alyssa/RH9 could be the best pair

[GuiltyLion]

Marcistar - Not_Mafia [9] -

Save The Dragons

, Alyssa the Lamb, Datisi,

GuiltyLion

, Ydrasse,

Taly

,

Not_Mafia

,

Firebringer

,

Marcistar

do we think this was all town until the self-hammer, Y/N

my instinct says no

[GuiltyLion]

you can take the green color off me if y'all want it just makes the point stronger

I can't remember the last time I saw 8 town votes onto scum in the first wagon in a Large

[Alyssa The Lamb]

the only real evidence I have against RH9 being town is that S_S was pushing my pairing to be an endgame pair at points, at least I remember that being the case

actually hold on, I need to check on something from S_S's posting before I respond any further to it

[Datisi]

gl, the unflipped people are from all of the three remaining pairs >_>

[GuiltyLion]

yeah but if we can conclude at least RH9 is definitively town that helps a lot

[Alyssa The Lamb]

Second Dance Ends In: (expired on 2022-01-08 02:00:00)

Well, my pet theory is that the IC almost always dies if they're partnered with town.

Taly should give his thoughts on Ydrasse, of course, but I don't feel like that pair should be endgaming.

I do not think that having voted Andante makes anyone town when it was known that FB was going to leave.

It makes Shiro look better, for sure. But not "damned obvious".

I think the endgame with both our pairings gone is very sketchy in general

Seems to me that this mostly comes down to whether Shiro is scum. If he is then we're going to have a real hard time killing him if you and Taly are both gone.

After Shiro/HQ my tentative flip order would be Taly/Ydrasse -> GL/Dats -> RH9/Alyssa, I guess.

But I'm definitely willing to listen to Taly and Alyssa, my reads this game have not been super strong or super good.

I'm not opposed to switching around the first two. I still feel like my pair is the best chance to endgame but if not then it would probably be RH9/Alyssa.

I have very strong doubts that S_S pairs himself and his partner like that, I strongly believe that the best plan here was to stick to the S_S/Galron endgaming plan while setting up his partner to endgame if he winds up dying first

If Ydrasse is scum, then my previous thoughts about why Titus/STD was killed still remains as true.
If Datisi is scum, then the scumteam were probably hoping that they would win the 1v1 against the Shiro/HQ hydra, with them losing that giving a much harder endgame; although it's not inherently impossible since they can reasonably expect that Taly and I would both not endgame there.
If RH9 is scum, then they can expect that whoever wins the 1v1 would be the next flip, and then they would have to hope that Taly can be convinced to leave Ydrasse, which I guess is a reasonable assumption

my other question is why S_S felt the need to go the path he did; I don't think there's very good odds that he was faking the stress he was expressing towards the end, so I think that he was legitimately feeling desperate

[Alyssa The Lamb]

I think all I did was just convince myself that Datisi is town

SHRUG

[Alyssa The Lamb]

SO BASICALLY I'M BACK TO IT'S JUST YDRASSE

[GuiltyLion]

rereading the first 20 pages so far also makes me feel good about Alyssa town, I remembered the whole RH9 seems okay comment and it makes sense with her whole philosophy around pairing with a nullread and never endgaming

ironically, if we can just all agree RH9 is town, that's the pair I want to endgame

[Taly]

BRUH DO I JUST LEAVE.

CAUSE IF WE ARE TALKING ABOUT GAMEPLAY, IT IS IN

YDRA/RH9

BUT I JUST DON'T SEE WHY SCUM-

YDRA

ATE THO.

[Datisi]

why do you find the ate clearing

that's like, the one part of her play i find completely nai

[RH9]

Everybody, rank each pair (except mine - calling IC privilege) on how likely you believe scum resides in them.

T/T

• Datisi & GL / RH9 & Alyssa /
  Shiro
  &
  Harley Quinn
  
  
• STD
  &
  Titus
  /
  Galron
  &
  S_S
  
  
• Marcistar
  &
  Norwee
  /
  Firebringer
  &
  Andante

T/S

I annotated my 3059 with colours from the flips.

[GuiltyLion]

taly

galron

, gl,

lld

datisi

catboi, prism

,

andante

rh9,

dragons

,

cabd

,

mala

alyssa,

fb

,

marci

I don't think I can point to this readslist and say with confidence that it's scummy in and of itself, but it is a lil eyebrow raisingly convenient that there's one scum in each tier

[Taly]

why do you find the ate clearing

that's like, the one part of her play i find completely nai

she said something late-game as town in

Slaughter Hour

that just stuck to me

it involved her input on

HQ

!scum flip, about why would scum AtE so much

and when i challenged her in

Anythin Upick

she seemed to snap which i found to be town indicative and that later became true.

[Ydrasse]

idk what else i can do and im not having fun anymore

probably just in gl/datisi because s_s wouldnt vote there

[Datisi]

here are my reads that have a 120% chance of aging absolutely horribly:

Spoiler:

yes i am aware i need more scumreads it is what it is

i coloured this in since colouring old readlists seems like the thing all the cool kids are doing now

Spoiler:

[GuiltyLion]

Datisi being scum would explain why my pair seemingly couldn't get limmed yesterday when it was a freebie

[Ydrasse]

like i called it out and he was like no need to rush like

no one was going to fucking hammer out of the blue

[Ydrasse]

i just dont know what else i can even do my reads have been fucking horrible and i feel like dead weight

[GuiltyLion]

but I feel like S_S would be game planning around scum!Datisi going down, not trying to drag Datisi to endgame with him

and if S_S was bussing Datisi he could have done it like 10x more convincingly with voting us out and shit

[Datisi]

idk why y'all think i call out s_s if he's my partner for trying to stick to consensus and call that scummy, when because of that i would have to keep townreading ydra and taly and go head to head with alyssa and rh9 who everyone is townreading, including my dance partner

but okay

[Ydrasse]

not with a deadweight partner like galron

[Datisi]

also reminder that i still do not pair with guiltylion as scum because he was under immense heat for like the entire game

at that point in the game, scum me is heavily planning to endgame and i don't hinder myself by pairing with someone who (1) knows my town and scumgames very well and (2) is being scumread by the vast majority of the game

[Alyssa The Lamb]

does a Datisi/S_S team have any other better kills in intermission?

my only guess would be my pairing??? I'm not even confident on that one