open 841: concgratulations to the winners and losers

[Faker]

Skitter shot from nulltown all the way down to medium scum with that, horrible line of attack and I really doubt she isn't aware.

[innocentvillager]

i mean i don't think what she said is unreasonable and should be flipped for that alone?

not all scum play the way you described

it's not like it's okay for VT to just ghost the thread either

either way flow is kind of throwing for his alignment with his actions

[innocentvillager]

but yeah i think you convinced me that it's not scum!indicative anymore

ill just call it nai i guess, i can see it from both alignments

[Sleepless Assassin]

Skitter shot from nulltown all the way down to medium scum with that, horrible line of attack and I really doubt she isn't aware.

Why is it scummy for skitter to believe town are more likely to post at deadline than scum? I'm not sure I agree with her but I don't think that belief is scummy.

Preview edit: yeah that

[Faker]

1. I think it is disgustingly unreasonable and strongly AI that she pursues it.
2. Flow is definitely not throwing if he is town, negligent lurker maybe but world of difference. Negligent lurkers make up a fourth of the player base and flow has an actual excuse with his computer broken. That does not mean he is town and shouldn't be posting, but absolutely is not throwing.

[Sleepless Assassin]

I don't think skitter meant throwing, just that town usually sees a deadline and thinks "oh I better go see if my vote is needed".

[Faker]

There are deviances but the broad majority of players feel significantly more stressed, anxious, and averse to a vote as scum. There are gigantic swaths of tells that are predicated on this assumption.

There are gigantic swaths of tells that are predicated on the idea that town are less stressed, more self-righteous but less preservative, etc. in the face of a vote.

If you're a VT who can't really play, whatever happens happens. Out reads if you have them, hopefully don't get voted, but stay genuine. When you're a scum player you fish, flail, and stall.

[Faker]

I don't think skitter meant throwing, just that town usually sees a deadline and thinks "oh I better go see if my vote is needed".

It was I who said this and the argument that flow needs to vote and post is not lost on me. I am specifically responding to the game throwing accusation in that bullet point.

[innocentvillager]

i do kind of agree he'd feel more urgency to find some way to come back and flail if he were scum. if he were a certain type of scum player that is. Some people don't feel the urgency as much as VT even though it is also important as VT. I don't think it makes a world of difference in theory because you would rather have some shot at killing scum than 0% shot.

but like, either way it's deadline and he's not here, it's just weird to me that you wouldn't be here like whatsoever as either alignment when you're the center of attention so i just can't really bring myself to make a strong conclusion either way

pedit: i mean i don't think everyone specifically thinks that way. how do you feel about all the people camping out on random votes then?
pedit2: to be clear faker u think flow is just straight up town for ghosting the thread at deadline?

[innocentvillager]

i do see your point though faker and part of that logic was kind of why i asked skitter in the first place to explain what she thought it meant for flow's alignment. i found her explanation more reasonable at the time and now that you're reintroducing this im not sure anymore.

[skitter30]

I didnt say anybody was throwing, i said i think in a vaccuum town are more likely to check in at eod. I also think a person's likelihood to 'fish, flail, and stall' depends is entirely personality dependant / dependant on how the person plays scim

Like i'm just thinking about myself, i utterly hate getting wagoned as scum, and i have sometimes indeed f5'd without commenting because its easier, fishing flailing and stalling is absolutely not my go-to tactic, and i would rather just wait the timer out if i think its inevitable-ish. Maybe make a token post for appearances, but like i dont start flailing

And i said that its entirely possible he's entirely checked out as well

[Sleepless Assassin]

I don't think skitter meant throwing, just that town usually sees a deadline and thinks "oh I better go see if my vote is needed".

It was I who said this and the argument that flow needs to vote and post is not lost on me. I am specifically responding to the game throwing accusation in that bullet point.

Wait where was that? I must have missed it.

[Faker]

I think it is +town but not enough to be confident in the slot. I do think it is bad and negligent play, but this is a separate question.

I don't like people sitting on random votes and prodded both SS and catboi yesterday. Mena is not even caught up. In theory I can go snipehunt and find a few in a group of 4/5 players but I don't see the relevance in this question to the current discussion.

[Something_Smart]

When you're a scum player you fish, flail, and stall.

Or give up and antispew

[Faker]

I don't think skitter meant throwing, just that town usually sees a deadline and thinks "oh I better go see if my vote is needed".

It was I who said this and the argument that flow needs to vote and post is not lost on me. I am specifically responding to the game throwing accusation in that bullet point.

Wait where was that? I must have missed it.

Phone corrected, it was IV not I. 2676 IV says flow is kind of throwing regardless of alignment.

[Faker]

When you're a scum player you fish, flail, and stall.

Or give up and antispew

Has flow's situation been that bad since yesterday? Absolutely not.

[innocentvillager]

When you're a scum player you fish, flail, and stall.

Or give up and antispew

i usually just implode and hide away in my closet cursing ms.net for my shitty redroll when i get wagoned as scum

or i full on AtE

depends on my mood

[skitter30]

Either way this discussion has made me think my point is nai, as i was reminded that different people have different tendencies towards playing scum in a vaccuum

Also tbf if he's scum i would imagine someone had said something abt the situation in the scum pt, which i do think people check more often than the main thread, so he's probably completely unaware

[Faker]

I didnt say anybody was throwing, i said i think in a vaccuum town are more likely to check in at eod. I also think a person's likelihood to 'fish, flail, and stall' depends is entirely personality dependant / dependant on how the person plays scim

Like i'm just thinking about myself, i utterly hate getting wagoned as scum, and i have sometimes indeed f5'd without commenting because its easier, fishing flailing and stalling is absolutely not my go-to tactic, and i would rather just wait the timer out if i think its inevitable-ish. Maybe make a token post for appearances, but like i dont start flailing

And i said that its entirely possible he's entirely checked out as well

1. Throwing point was in response to IV saying it.
2. Why the fuck would this vote be so "doomsday inevitable" for flow trap on Day 1 when there was an equally strong wagon with several players on his own previously voicing suspicion?

As a final note anyone who thinks flow trap would be scared of spewing has never played with flow trap.

[innocentvillager]

Either way this discussion has made me think my point is nai, as i was reminded that different people have different tendencies towards playing scum in a vaccuum

Also tbf if he's scum i would imagine someone had said something abt the situation in the scum pt, which i do think people check more often than the main thread, so he's probably completely unaware

i have seen scum PTs that were a page long, you'd be surprised how little some scum post/check in there

not everyone is like me you or Datisi who will spam 30 pages

[Something_Smart]

Has flow's situation been that bad since yesterday? Absolutely not.

Is the same not also true for what you said? Fishing, flailing, and stalling are pretty desperate moves.

[Faker]

I am legitimately down to flip skitter Day 2.

Think Sleepless is the call today. Entirely self-preservative with still zero substance beyond undercutting questions for the views of others.

[Faker]

Has flow's situation been that bad since yesterday? Absolutely not.

Is the same not also true for what you said? Fishing, flailing, and stalling are pretty desperate moves.

No, they're not even slightly comparable.

[skitter30]

I've never played with flow trap, no
I didnt say this is doomsday inevitable, i was explaining how i would be feeling in this situation (which is what i was extrapolating from), and scum-me would consider this inevitable-ish, yes

Also jsut like not everyone plays scum like me, not everyone plays scum like you ...

Pedit well i am no longer down to vote sleepless

[Faker]

I don't see a point in writing more words on that S_S sorry. Just insanely basic and with all offense should stick to the Newbie queue until you get enough scumrolls in if this is not understood.