open 841: concgratulations to the winners and losers

[Something_Smart]

You must be using those words to mean different things then. When I'm scum and receive pressure, I start antispewing far before I do any of the other three things.

[innocentvillager]

i maintain that if you don't even check in to this site when you are a serious wagon candidate at deadline you are throwing for your alignment. you're passively supporting an elimination that is strictly worse for your alignment than if you try to fight it off.

you can say a few words and at least try and tell the town where you're at even if ur super busy.

nothing wrong with throwing occasionally, rl and emotions get the best of us.

pedit: still want flow trap over sleepless

[Something_Smart]

Just insanely basic and with all offense should stick to the Newbie queue until you get enough scumrolls in if this is not understood.

Wow ok

[skitter30]

i have seen scum PTs that were a page long, you'd be surprised how little some scum post/check in there

Very fair, but i also do think 'you're the leading wagon with 36 hours left' id a noteabke enuf event to comment on

[skitter30]

Also jsut like not everyone plays scum like me, not everyone plays scum like you ...

Anyways i'm gonna go pretend to do my job now

[Something_Smart]

Well Prism's doing a good job of making me not want to play the game anymore.

[Sleepless Assassin]

I don't think skitter meant throwing, just that town usually sees a deadline and thinks "oh I better go see if my vote is needed".

It was I who said this and the argument that flow needs to vote and post is not lost on me. I am specifically responding to the game throwing accusation in that bullet point.

Wait where was that? I must have missed it.

Phone corrected, it was IV not I. 2676 IV says flow is kind of throwing regardless of alignment.

Oh ok yeah I see now. My mistake.

[Sleepless Assassin]

I am legitimately down to flip skitter Day 2.

Think Sleepless is the call today. Entirely self-preservative with still zero substance beyond undercutting questions for the views of others.

What makes you think I'm being self preservative? I had flow trap as my number two scum read before people even voted there and even asked the sircakez wagon to choose between flow trap and myself.

[Faker]

Well Prism's doing a good job of making me not want to play the game anymore.

The only thing you've done is argue the antispew point with me. I don't disagree with antispewing early, you specifically used the phrase "give up" which implies complete surrender. You do not flail at that point, and flow trap's situation was not and is not at that point.

There are a million other things to engage with that aren't me available to you.

[catboi]

I don't think being inactive at deadline is an alignment tell, sometimes people just vanish, trying to read too far into it is stupid

[Faker]

Your vote is currently on skitter S_S. If you think flow has given up as scum perhaps you should move it. If you are neutral, you should still perhaps move it.

[Faker]

I don't think being inactive at deadline is an alignment tell, sometimes people just vanish, trying to read too far into it is stupid

I lean that in this scenario is slightly +town but yeah, he could very well have gotten sick, busy with work, whatever.

I take specific gumption with Skitter's framing, and separately think Sleepless has been flagrantly self-preservative first and foremost throughout this.

[Something_Smart]

Your vote is currently on skitter S_S. If you think flow has given up as scum perhaps you should move it. If you are neutral, you should still perhaps move it.

Okay.

VOTE: Faker

[catboi]

separately think Sleepless has been flagrantly self-preservative first and foremost throughout this.

Can you give me some examples of this?

[Faker]

I'm not going to lecture you only to have you flip harder. Review your ISO, you weren't playing before me and only hopped in to undercut my point and forget your own.

Million points and 12 other players to engage with if my current critique is undesirable. I am not running after you.

[Faker]

separately think Sleepless has been flagrantly self-preservative first and foremost throughout this.

Can you give me some examples of this?

On my phone and can't easily link. Entire discussion around meta point in 2582 on is one example, that one pedantic discussion on lying with NSG/Cakez, constant cutting into points even tangentially related to him to defend himself (ex. Here when I go after skitter)

Very impressive how much time he can dedicate to pedantry and going after anyone who doesn't find a +town reason on him persuasive but still can't do real work on a single player.

[Something_Smart]

To be more clear Faker, I think that probably you understood "give up" differently from how I meant it-- I didn't mean literally stop caring about the game, I just mean accepting one's execution as inevitable (if not today, then tomorrow, etc).

I believe skitter's argument was-- there was no reason why flow would deliberately thread avoid as town, but there is a potential reason why they would do it as scum.

That's a reasonable argument, I can see both sides there. But nothing in the thread came close to justifying 2699. I'm not going to say that such an insult can

never

be justified, but it was incredibly offputting.

[Faker]

More than willing to entertain a scum case on me S_S, but again if this disagreement is so upsetting and 2708 did not clear up why

The vast majority of the game, myself included, wants you here and would love to talk to you more. At least one of them is bound to be of your interest and to your liking. I'm not being facetious, I really hope you see that and take it.

P-Edit: I don't think I need to change much of the above though it might be superfluous.

[Andante]

Something_Smart, why are you voting faker here? we have to reach an agreement on who we're voting, and I guarantee you, we're not all agreeing to flip Faker here, I tr him anyways... so are you just trying to waste your vote?

[innocentvillager]

he's obviously just tilted at being told to go back to newbie queue

understandable, id prolly be too

[Faker]

I guess I should tie up the loose end that our understanding of give up is/was the same.

I will step back, there are plenty of more pleasant avenues open for you.

[catboi]

VOTE: sleepless

reread the iso and almost all of the last 40-ish posts are white noise

[Andante]

ahhh rip I missed the initial stuff :/ just pull the game up like "uhhh faker vote gets us no where.."

[Andante]

lol in a newbie game, I was doc, they started voting me, I was like "yo I'm doc..." and they went "no real doc claims here!! byeeee" I was doc, it was funny XD

[Sleepless Assassin]

I'm not going to lecture you only to have you flip harder. Review your ISO, you weren't playing before me and only hopped in to undercut my point and forget your own.

Million points and 12 other players to engage with if my current critique is undesirable. I am not running after you.

So your case is that I worked the weekend? Lol

On my phone and can't easily link. Entire discussion around meta point in 2582 on is one example, that one pedantic discussion on lying with NSG/Cakez, constant cutting into points even tangentially related to him to defend himself (ex. Here when I go after skitter)

Do you expect me to avoid discussion about me as town but respond to it as scum?

he's obviously just tilted at being told to go back to newbie queue

understandable, id prolly be too

Same. That's why I didn't say anything. That was pretty awkward.