open 841: concgratulations to the winners and losers

[Faker]

The wagon makeups say vote Sleepless but also I have seen scum bus in the absolute dumbest scenarios and

his recent content is better

Heavily considering voting flow trap

?????

Actually worked through me/you and went a bit further.

[innocentvillager]

Is it bad to town read Norths dream?

No, I was actually kinda thinking the same way. It's dumb, but it's not as dumb as my reason for townreading midwaybear.

and what is that?

[Faker]

The joke is that Mare faked a dream iirc

I mean sure it's something that can happen. But was North in a position to feel the need to do it?

I'm not disagreeing with you or IV. North didn't seem to get that catboi's comment was a tongue in cheek reference, so I explained.

[innocentvillager]

ok catboi ill give you that you're probably not scum with flow trap

and also midway

so that's kind of looking bad for my team selection

[Sleepless Assassin]

ok catboi ill give you that you're probably not scum with flow trap

Why not

[catboi]

i mean surely you get uninterested as scum too and it was during holiday season anyway so good excuse to step away and come back i don't see how that's unbelievable

you've been a little follow-y at times yea? but also for example if town is on the wrong track i could see you taking this approach d1

but yeah idk ill keep this in mind for tomorrow or something and maybe we can cross check ur meta a little (assuming im alive lol)

My general belief is that passivity loses gamse as scum and I actively try to work against that The bottom line is simply that if I were scum I'd be actively playing toward a loss, as it is I just don't care lol

Pretty sure the only vote I've actively sheeped is the sleepless one (although, again, my tendency is to

not

do this, so)

[northsidegal]

flow is at L-1 fyi

[northsidegal]

shrug, i sort of hate voting slots who are just not here. guess it'll be interesting to see if my dream reads really do work

[Something_Smart]

and what is that?

Based on my data no scum has landed 3rd in the draft with a number lower than 8, in fact they have been pretty consistently high (8, 9, 10, 11). If this sounds like a bullshit statistical coincidence, that's because it is, but I think the logic makes at least a tiny amount of sense because based on the data when scum go for a medium-low number they often also go for a lower which might collide, but it if it does, the medium-low number is likely to score a very good place in the draft (higher than 3rd).

Look, I warned you that it was dumb.

[Faker]

North can you give a quick readslist, maybe brief summary or the linestyle I do?

Unless you agree with Datisi that it is antitown or just want to make me lose a few hairs to mild mald

[Faker]

Also just kind of curious why you haven't advocated a Sleepless vote a bit more doggedly

[catboi]

The wagon makeups say vote Sleepless but also I have seen scum bus in the absolute dumbest scenarios and

his recent content is better

Heavily considering voting flow trap

?????

Actually worked through me/you and went a bit further.

2822 doesn't do much for me, the conclusion "one is pocketing the other" felt arbitrary and I didn't like the conditional add-on at the end of 2835 at all - feels like it's making a show of re-evaluating on a scumread that wasn't going anywhere

[Faker]

Wait nope 2835 good point that last line reads poorly

BACK ON WE GO

VOTE: Sleepless

[Sleepless Assassin]

The read "wasn't going anywhere" because he hasn't been scummy since I got here real-time. I was already reconsidering. When I saw that he had the same thought as me, I read it open mindedly.

[innocentvillager]

Wait nope 2835 good point that last line reads poorly

BACK ON WE GO

VOTE: Sleepless

yeah i was honestly like slightly pinged by that as well, i wouldn't say that last part if i was town

[Faker]

Remember, I am VERY RELIABLE

[Faker]

The read "wasn't going anywhere" because he hasn't been scummy since I got here real-time. I was already reconsidering. When I saw that he had the same thought as me, I read it open mindedly.

A lot of our point is that the line about how answering might flip the read felt very performative.

[innocentvillager]

i kind of liked catboi's 2871 -> 2886 progression at least

pedit: yeah what faker said

[Sleepless Assassin]

The read "wasn't going anywhere" because he hasn't been scummy since I got here real-time. I was already reconsidering. When I saw that he had the same thought as me, I read it open mindedly.

A lot of our point is that the line about how answering might flip the read felt very performative.

Thats why I just made a post with the actual reason for it.

[innocentvillager]

and what is that?

Based on my data no scum has landed 3rd in the draft with a number lower than 8, in fact they have been pretty consistently high (8, 9, 10, 11). If this sounds like a bullshit statistical coincidence, that's because it is, but I think the logic makes at least a tiny amount of sense because based on the data when scum go for a medium-low number they often also go for a lower which might collide, but it if it does, the medium-low number is likely to score a very good place in the draft (higher than 3rd).

Look, I warned you that it was dumb.

seems like too specific/not enough data for me to materially change my read but fair enough, interesting

[Faker]

And that post was exactly why I made the sharper one. The initial felt like it addressed the "not moving" part exclusively.

[Faker]

A close observer might note I quoted the post, meaning I still felt it unaddressed within that context.

[Sleepless Assassin]

And that post was exactly why I made the sharper one. The initial felt like it addressed the "not moving" part exclusively.

Well either you believe me or you don't.

So all I can say is

Nuh uh

[Sleepless Assassin]

A close observer might note I quoted the post, meaning I still felt it unaddressed within that context.

It's the middle of the day so my kids are awake. I'm far from a close observer

[northsidegal]

North can you give a quick readslist, maybe brief summary or the linestyle I do?

Unless you agree with Datisi that it is antitown or just want to make me lose a few hairs to mild mald

something like this probably:
{nsg}
{andante, mare}
{IV, skitter, SS, faker}
{flow, datisi, menalque, cat} - null
{midway, cakez}
{sleepless}

Also just kind of curious why you haven't advocated a Sleepless vote a bit more doggedly

it's hard to defend someone who just isn't here and who is most of the time nigh-unreadable, and i only have so much energy when it comes to hardcore tunneling sleepless (and i think that only so much talking is actually that effective, it hits its limit and then becomes counter-effective if you overdo it). i was advocating in my own from the other day by just straight up asking people to vote with me (which i find is surprisingly effective) and by questioning everyone's reasons for voting another wagon. that being said, i do appreciate that people have started to notice how much of like the last forty posts he's made have all just been random like self-preservation snipes, so maybe later i'll try to point that out a bit more clearly.