open 841: concgratulations to the winners and losers

[skitter30]

also fwiw i don't think scum sleepless keeps trying to herd votes back to himself .... >.>
should we try a midway flashwagon?

[Sleepless Assassin]

also fwiw i don't think scum sleepless keeps trying to herd votes back to himself .... >.>
should we try a midway flashwagon?

I mean... I'd much rather it be flow but if that doesn't work, I don't like the idea of starting a brand new wagon in 24 hours. It's so much more viable to let people decide between the two existing wagons.

[northsidegal]

also fwiw i don't think scum sleepless keeps trying to herd votes back to himself .... >.>
should we try a midway flashwagon?

is he trying to herd votes back to himself, though? the argument he seemed to be making was that he would be focusing votes away from flow to try to disrupt wagons, but it seems to me like given that flow is his main counterwagon, trying to disrupt that would only serve to have his own wagon be the strongest. in other words, he's encouraged to get people on flow, because flow is his primary counterwagon and a flow elim seems to be his best shot of not dying today. does that make sense?

[midwaybear]

I don't like the idea of starting a brand new wagon in 24 hours.

Maybe dumb question but why?

[skitter30]

no, i get that, but when people suggest voting elsewhere he keeps telling people to vote flow or him (not putting ny particular emphasis on flow, and including himself) , he's done it a few times now

[Sleepless Assassin]

also fwiw i don't think scum sleepless keeps trying to herd votes back to himself .... >.>
should we try a midway flashwagon?

is he trying to herd votes back to himself, though? the argument he seemed to be making was that he would be focusing votes away from flow to try to disrupt wagons, but it seems to me like given that flow is his main counterwagon, trying to disrupt that would only serve to have his own wagon be the strongest. in other words, he's encouraged to get people on flow, because flow is his primary counterwagon and a flow elim seems to be his best shot of not dying today. does that make sense?

No, my argument was that the flow vs me gamestate wouldn't be good for scum-me so I'd throw fuel on the catboi/sircakez hate and hope it either leads to new momentum or ends the day in no elimination basically prolonging my life in the game.

Maybe dumb question but why?

Basically because see above. Lol.

With deadline approaching, we don't want to scramble and risk not eliminating anybody and handing scum a free NK just to be right back where we are now.

[Datisi]

And I'd love for you to speak more about it

absolutely nothing to townread him on

i really disliked the recent pop-in because the "i'm gonna vote sleepless because i didn't like him questioning iv about the dream. i will not elaborate on this and everything else he's posted seems whatever but yeah. also here's some vague shade on the counterwagon" feels like scum who genuinely gives zero fucks who gets executed, but is trying to bullshit some plausible-sounding thoughts because he knows he's gonna get crap for if he's too passive at deadline

any other explanation would boil down to "lol idk gut"

[northsidegal]

is he trying to herd votes back to himself, though? the argument he seemed to be making was that he would be focusing votes away from flow to try to disrupt wagons, but it seems to me like given that flow is his main counterwagon, trying to disrupt that would only serve to have his own wagon be the strongest. in other words, he's encouraged to get people on flow, because flow is his primary counterwagon and a flow elim seems to be his best shot of not dying today. does that make sense?

to be clear, i don't think that that behavior is scummy – i think that it makes sense for anyone regardless of alignment to be trying to get more votes onto their own counterwagon (although obviously context can change that). it just doesn't seem to me like sleepless is trying to get votes onto himself – datisi was already voting flow, a vote shift from datisi is a bad thing for sleepless because the flow wagon being less likely to go through means sleepless' wagon is relatively more likely.

no, i get that, but when people suggest voting elsewhere he keeps telling people to vote flow or him (not putting ny particular emphasis on flow, and including himself) , he's done it a few times now

mm, i understand what you're saying but contextually i'm just not sure i agree that it's town indicative.

[skitter30]

i think i'm kinda townreading nsg now, fwiw
(not particularly this interaction, just like in general)

[Datisi]

skitt, how sure are you that flow is scum? i skipped quite a few pages, sorry

[skitter30]

i'm not, really. i feel better voting him than sleepless rn tho

[Faker]

About halfway through, I

really

do not like this Cakez ISO.

Agree with the Andante townreads. I saw one post that I don't think she makes as maf.
I also agree with skitter that catboi's townread on me is a bit TMI. I am not sure how confident catboi normally is though.
UNVOTE:

ok so my vote here is still fine

This doesn't make sense. Cakez townread Andante for virtually identically vague reasons in a closely preceding post, and I don't see him critique the skitter/catboi read. Plenty of people thought the same about catboi's read on midway.

Referenced preceding post

i'm throwing Anda a townread don't ask me why bc I cannot explain it

Next up is this game:

im taking back my Andante townread page 28 irked me quite a bit. they felt defensive in a not good way.

Andante did not post on page 28. Page 29 is interesting; definitely a bit defensive (Looking ahead Cakez confirmed he meant 29). I could weigh in on Andante's substantive posting there, but I don't think it is immediately relevant. She does key in a bit on midway, who last we checked Cakez also did not feel good about.

The sequence of posts on Mare that I summarized in a combination of 1553 and 1620 continue to look bad. He states that Mare is blatantly scum, but votes Pooky. He never cases Pooky despite voteparking there, and he winds up saying similar about midwaybear in a 1496 revote.

[Andante]

I refuse to vote out cake here. Sleepless is mafia

[Faker]

also fwiw i don't think scum sleepless keeps trying to herd votes back to himself .... >.>
should we try a midway flashwagon?

is he trying to herd votes back to himself, though? the argument he seemed to be making was that he would be focusing votes away from flow to try to disrupt wagons, but it seems to me like given that flow is his main counterwagon, trying to disrupt that would only serve to have his own wagon be the strongest. in other words, he's encouraged to get people on flow, because flow is his primary counterwagon and a flow elim seems to be his best shot of not dying today. does that make sense?

I have considered voicing this but held off. My thoughts slightly differ in that I think the motivation would be primarily to seem town, and get

anyone else, but likely flow

voted by default.

[skitter30]

fwiw i think at this point i'm willing to vote midway or possibly cakez but i'm not sure that doing either will help anything or the situation at all

[Sleepless Assassin]

fwiw i think at this point i'm willing to vote midway or possibly cakez but i'm not sure that doing either will help anything or the situation at all

It won't...

[Faker]

Second half looks better; likely not voting there atm.

[Sleepless Assassin]

I'm not voting either midway or sircakez unless it's last resort.

[Faker]

Not going to organize all of the quotes, second half of Cakez ISO is significantly better. He overstates the scumreads because he's himself which can be a bit annoying but everything tracks up nicely.

Consistent scumreads of midway, Mare, Pookyslot. Decent reads and believable process on S_S/Datisi/Pooky in the second half.

If anything he's a bit too consistent, definitely would appreciate weighing in more on the wagons as 2336 and 2596 really don't give much. We'll see.

[Faker]

Cakez should also update his read of Pookyslot imo, see 2468. More on NSG too while he's at it?

[Faker]

I'm not voting either midway or sircakez unless it's last resort.

You've spoken about this as a practical matter, end-all ban on voting not-you & not-flow.

For the sake of humoring us, can you discuss your actual reads on the slot instead, without a necessity to vote them today attached?

You give two lines on midway, utilizing one quote, in your initial wall suggesting he is town for feeling solvey. The readwall in 1860 mentions going back and forth; this does not make it into your ISO elsewhere.

For Cakez, you don't weigh in at all in the initial wall. In the 1860 readswall, you mention that he seems town for his posts. The only other post that weighs in on Cakez is 2928, which again seems to be very vague and tonal. At one point you also mention never seeing him as scum, and 2578 just gives a brief "still town" read without further explanation.

[Faker]

Working through your ISO, really not a fan again. You dodge many slots wholesale and flow is the only player you've gone to bat on recently, knowing well in advance how coinflippy of a player he is.

I want to visit the innocentvillager scumread and how it progresses. You went to bat against them earlier, but a brief leads me to it cools into interactions much more selfserving.

[Faker]

but a brief skim leads me to think it cools*

[Faker]

I am now determined to see Sleepless through to the end. A post will follow up on this.

Skitter, can you please summarize one more time what you think about the slot points towards not voting it?

[catboi]

there is too much resistance to a sleepless vote here for sleepless to be town

Meh. Resistance arguments mean absolutely nothing to me and are rarely actually meaningful. On the other hand I'm not terribly swayed by the arguments in 2911

On the other other hand midway's recent posts do not endear him to me