Mini Theme 2255 | UPick a Normal | Endgame

[mastina]

It actually may be -town based on how roles are calculated so I'd suggest against it

Wrong.

We submitted preference for alignment.

Separately

, we submitted preference for PR vs Vanilla.

The latter has ZERO correlation to the former, because there can be PRs and Vanillas on both sides. Goons are just as much of a thing as VTs. So outting your submitted preferred alignment does

nothing

to out if you're more or less likely to be a PR, because the two are completely and entirely different from each other.

[MegAzumarill]

Design Process

Below are the steps I will take to produce a design.

UPick Submissions:

Players will submit their UPick submissions. This will be up to three Normal legal mafia and town power roles (so up to six roles in total), including any modifiers the player wants to include. A player may also submit a

Mafia Preference

or a

Town Preference

, and a

Vanilla Preference

if they would prefer to avoid a power role. Preferences are only that and may end up not being followed, but the role you receive will be a town power role or mafia power role from the ones you submitted, or the town vanilla or mafia goon roles presented below.

Faction Randomisation:

The player list will be randomised in such a way that all players with a Mafia preference are at the top and all players with a Town preference are at the bottom. All people with a vanilla preference will have that penciled in. The top 3 players will be penciled in as Mafia.

Role Randomisation:

If there is at least one vanilla player penciled in the Mafia, then the other Mafia will receive a power role. If there isn't then a random number of Mafia players will receive a power role based on a dice roll on this table (weighted towards more power roles:
1 (12.5%): 1 Mafia power role
2-3 (25%): 2 Mafia power roles
4-8 (62.5%): 3 Mafia power roles

Design sketch:

Based on the number of Mafia power roles calculated, Mafia players will be assigned roles from their UPick, starting at the player at the top of the random player list and Town players will be assigned roles starting from the bottom of the player list, skipping over Vanilla preferences where possible. Once I have a setup designed I will ask Gypyx to check it for balance. If he is happy the game will go ahead. If not I will make alterations based on his feedback and the available UPick roles until a design is confirmed.

UPick considerations:

My assumption is I will receive more Mafia preferences than available slots, making a Town preference very likely to be certain. I also do not expect to receive many Vanilla preferences so I expect to be able to fulfill all of those. However, any of these are preferences and not certain. I also expect roles with gating modifiers to be easier to fit into a balanced set up, so consider that when making your submission, especially if your main desire is to be most likely to get a power role of some sort, not a particular role if you do get one.

Setup

Day talk

: If you are a member of a shared private thread you may talk there at any time, including the day, as long as you are alive, unless your Role PM says otherwise.

Action Resolution and Multitasking

: Actions are resolved according to Natural Action Resolution. If you have multiple night actions available you may only perform one unless your Role PM says otherwise.

Win Conditions

: Win conditions for

Town

and

Mafia

are as follows:

Town

: You win when all threats to the town are dead, and at least 1 town aligned player is alive.

Mafia

: You win when all players not aligned with you are dead or nothing can prevent that from happening, and at least 1 mafia aligned player is alive.

Sample Roles

: Below are an example role for a

Vanilla Townie

and a

Mafia Goon

. At least 2 players are a Vanilla Townie. 1 or more players might be a Mafia Goon.

Vanilla Townie

You are a

Vanilla Townie

Each day you may talk in the game thread and vote on who to eliminate.

You win when all threats to the town are dead, and at least 1 town aligned player is alive.

The game thread is here, please confirm your role and alignment via pm.

Mafia Goon

You are a

Mafia Goon

You form a

Mafia

family along with REDACTED.

Each day you may talk in the game thread and vote on who to eliminate.

Each night a member of your family may perform a factional kill. A member of your family will attempt to visit a player, and assuming no interference that player will die.

You win when all players not aligned with you are dead or nothing can prevent that from happening, and at least 1 mafia aligned player is alive.

The game thread is here and your Mafia private thread is REDACTED, please confirm your role and alignment via pm or your private thread.

[MegAzumarill]

Design sketch and Faction randomization parts

[mastina]

Considering town preference was on the same side of the lists that town power roles were pulled from it actually can out prs

This is also wrong.

Your submitted picks have nothing to do with your submitted preference on alignment.

We submitted up to four things:
Town role(s),
Scum role(s),
Preferred alignment,
VT vs PR preference.

All of these are 100% completely and entirely separate from each other with zero ties to one another.

In other words, stating your alignment preference does nothing to out VT vs PR preference; stating your scum roles does nothing on your preferred alignment or PR/VT preference.

We should out our submitted scum roles and our preferred alignment, but

not

out our submitted town roles or our VT/PR preference.

[Enchant]

Anyone claiming having preference in Mafia is either mafia trickering (because there need to be 4+ people wanting to be mafia so you can submit being mafia and not getting it), or townie trolling shit out of this game.


I prefered mafia btw.

[MegAzumarill]

Faction Randomisation:

The player list will be randomised in such a way that all players with a Mafia preference are at the top and

all players with a Town preference are at the bottom.

Design sketch:

Based on the number of Mafia power roles calculated, Mafia players will be assigned roles from their UPick, starting at the player at the top of the random player list and

Town players will be assigned roles starting from the bottom of the player list,

skipping over Vanilla preferences where possible.

[mastina]

Design sketch and Faction randomization parts

Still not relevant.

Outing VT vs PR preference does in fact out info we shouldn't out.

Outing town roles does in fact out info we shouldn't out.

But outing Town vs Mafia doesn't out anything; outing mafia roles we submitted also doesn't out anything.

While what we submit can have an impact on what roles are in the game based on our submitted alignment preference, there is no downside to claiming the scum roles and alignment preference so long as you are not outting VT/PR preference or town PRs submitted.

[House]

Btw everyone here should be outting the scum role(s) they submitted, but

not

the town roles (for obvious reasons).

Mafia role submissions:

1-Shot Strongman, 1-Shot Universal Backup, PT Cop

Everyone should also be outting their submitted alignment preference.

I submitted

town

.

(We should do this because while scum can lie about their submitted preference, we can still conftown some players.)

What the hell, I'll play along.

Mafia:
Ascetic Multitasking Rolestopper/Rolecop
Ascetic Multitasking Hider/Watcher
Ascetic Strongman

Town Preference

[mastina]

skipping over Vanilla preferences where possible

.

Which is why not outting VT vs PR preference is important.

But outting your alignment preference is harmless.

[Taly]

against my greater judgment I'll play along with the preference claims

I submitted

Mafia Neapolitan

and

Mafia Neighborizer

'cause I'm a slippery bitch.

I gave no alignment preference.

[House]

VOTE: Taly

[Taly]

ily2

[House]

ily2

[Enchant]

Let's kill people who love playing as mafia and hardtown those who love playing as town, SIMPLE.

[MegAzumarill]

('-')

[Taly]

Meg

, would explaining your hesitation from claiming preferences be a problem?

Ignore this question at leisure.

[MegAzumarill]

Faction Randomisation:

The player list will be randomised in such a way that all players with a Mafia preference are at the top and

all players with a Town preference are at the bottom.

Design sketch:

Based on the number of Mafia power roles calculated, Mafia players will be assigned roles from their UPick, starting at the player at the top of the random player list and

Town players will be assigned roles starting from the bottom of the player list,

skipping over Vanilla preferences where possible.

Two bolded clauses

[House]

Let's kill people who love playing as mafia and hardtown those who love playing as town, SIMPLE.

[Enchant]

VOTE: Taly

[Taly]

Anyone claiming having preference in Mafia is either mafia trickering (because there need to be 4+ people wanting to be mafia so you can submit being mafia and not getting it), or townie trolling shit out of this game.


I prefered mafia btw.

Let's kill people who love playing as mafia and hardtown those who love playing as town, SIMPLE.

VOTE: Taly

Interesting line-up of posts, you claim to have preferred mafia, rally to vote anyone who has not voiced townread preference, and

vote the next person that did not give a town preference.

Is the bolded the reason behind your vote or not?

[Enchant]

Anyone claiming having preference in Mafia is either mafia trickering (because there need to be 4+ people wanting to be mafia so you can submit being mafia and not getting it), or townie trolling shit out of this game.


I prefered mafia btw.

Let's kill people who love playing as mafia and hardtown those who love playing as town, SIMPLE.

VOTE: Taly

Interesting line-up of posts, you claim to have preferred mafia, rally to vote anyone who has not voiced townread preference, and

vote the next person that did not give a town preference.

Is the bolded the reason behind your vote or not?

What is right answer?

Actually Yes.

[House]

@Titus: I'm pleased to see you're town this game
Please don't spend the entire game trying to figure out the same about me, so we can work together.

Kthx.

VOTE: House

Silly.

The last thing I'm going to do as scum is draw Titus' attention.

[Taly]

Anyone claiming having preference in Mafia is either mafia trickering (because there need to be 4+ people wanting to be mafia so you can submit being mafia and not getting it), or townie trolling shit out of this game.


I prefered mafia btw.

Let's kill people who love playing as mafia and hardtown those who love playing as town, SIMPLE.

VOTE: Taly

Interesting line-up of posts, you claim to have preferred mafia, rally to vote anyone who has not voiced townread preference, and

vote the next person that did not give a town preference.

Is the bolded the reason behind your vote or not?

What is right answer?

Actually Yes.

Hmmm. That would be an unusual route for scum to take in your position. You're incriminating yourself and weakening your argument against me solely because 29 exists.

And you accept it when I throw it in your face.

So you're likely town.

[Taly]

House darling, do you try to get my attention as scum?

[House]

House darling, do you try to get my attention as scum?

I dunno, I'm not intimidated by you.