Holiday Dance Party ---- Game Over

[Ydrasse]

i'm a broken record but it is genuinely the most frustrating thing to deal with lol

[Ydrasse]

i'm the whiny bitch when it comes to dying, it's me

[Alyssa The Lamb]

I don't think Taly is here

[Ydrasse]

i dont think so

[Alyssa The Lamb]

alright I'm going to drop something

hold on

[Alyssa The Lamb]

TALY WHERE ARE YOU

[Alyssa The Lamb]

alright, well, I'll just say what I'm thinking now and then I'll decide whether I want to make a call or not

i don't see how people think that this is... anything like my scum game at all

what would you say is the main distinguishing factor here

to me it's like

i'm literally doing the biggest thing someone could do if they were scum to handicap themselves and then i just fucking sit around doing nothing all game. like im good at being townread if i try to be because i know what /works/ and then i just said "fuck it no lol" this game danced and twirled some with taly said "yep ready to leave when you are boss" and did nothing but twiddle my thumbs when i could have just paired with someone else and brute forced my way to endgame with them

like yeah sure i let everyone scumread me and just sit there going yep mhm no i wont talk to you actually and just keep going hoping that im dragged along when if im scum i literally know that i am not going to die and have to like.... compensate for that

p-edit: i literally just said it's not worth the effort to me anymore and that i pushed norwee+shiro mostly

when i said my reads were bad this game i literally was townreading all three of the scum for the majority of the game

I think this might be a straight up towntell just by the events of second dance

I think the scumteam

majorly

fucked up when Something_Smart just started getting traction on his wagon

Taly and I were both slow to go onto that wagon; Galron, a flipped town, was pretty convinced of that wagon

Datisi then pushed onto Galron/SS directly because of S_S and Ydrasse basically voted that almost immediately

and then RH9 awkwardly put GuiltyLion at E-1 and then unvoted two hours later, then hemmed and hawwed around killing off Galron/SS later on

this might legit just be the game winning clue that the scum is just RH9 and I didn't even catch it until I looked back through my own ISO to try to find my earlier solve posts

[Alyssa The Lamb]

Galron, a flipped town, was pretty convinced of that wagon being town*

[Alyssa The Lamb]

being ON town

[RH9]

Alyssa, are you saying that you want to leave?

[RH9]

Alyssa, are you saying that you want to leave?

If you do, I'll let you do the honours.

[Alyssa The Lamb]

I guess GuiltyLion isn't here anymore

I leave the dance

[PookyTheMagicalBear]

RH9 has left in the Second Dance

He was aligned with the

Town

Alyssa the Lamb has left in the Second Dance

She was aligned with the

Town

[PookyTheMagicalBear]

Second Dance Ends In: (expired on 2022-01-08 02:00:00)

[GuiltyLion]

that's annoying

there was zero chance RH9 was scum because the marci wagon didn't have him on it and I thought I said as much

Taly what are you thinking here

I wasn't convinced by Ydra's posting there

[GuiltyLion]

Just ftr

Every difficult endgame I've ever seen town have has been a result of bad leaves

So don't leave unless you're going to be flipped anyways

Ty

[GuiltyLion]

I will say now

the one thing that's been constantly wigging me out a lil bit about Datisi is that he's gotten progressively less and less paranoid of me

at the time when the game is literally coming down to resolving my alignment and I feel he'd be getting at least a little

more

paranoid

[GuiltyLion]

at the same time, Datisi was towncasing Ydra prior to S_S's flip, both here and in our PT

and I don't see why he'd do that if he's scum and needs Taly/Ydra pair out? Like if he's scum, was he just confident Taly would leave, even when Taly started talking about endgaming?

[GuiltyLion]

Ydrasse who would you say you've really championed/defended as town this game, and when?

[GuiltyLion]

it's fucking suicidal to not do anything and then flip and then stare at everyone like oh fuck i'm alive after taly and i sat in the pt during intermission twirling

this also just isn't true when there's heavy paranoia/suspicion going around between Alyssa/RH9, HQ/Shiro, and (if you are scum) Datisi/GL T-T pairings

as evidenced by the fact that you are not dead yet

[GuiltyLion]

but I feel like S_S would be game planning around scum!Datisi going down, not trying to drag Datisi to endgame with him

and if S_S was bussing Datisi he could have done it like 10x more convincingly with voting us out and shit

I still think this holds true

I don't see how S_S play at 8p prior to getting limmed really makes sense if he's scum with Datisi

and the same reasoning should apply to my slot as well

like if the goal was to bus us and endgame he would have gone about it in the worst way possible

and if our pair had scum he

should

have been the one trying to endgame because we were very close to going down constantly

whereas I think it's a pretty straightforward explanation for his play if we're both T/T and he doesn't want to get his hands dirty at all

[GuiltyLion]

After Shiro/HQ my tentative flip order would be Taly/Ydrasse -> GL/Dats -> RH9/Alyssa, I guess.

But I'm definitely willing to listen to Taly and Alyssa

, my reads this game have not been super strong or super good.

why would Smart say this and then not vote us when I've pretty much rolled over, Taly and Alyssa are voting us, we're in E-1 range

if Datisi is his partner avoiding the wagon is gonna look suspicious if we flip T-S

I don't think Smart needs to keep partner!Datisi alive, I just don't

and I don't think Datisi especially tried to antispew Smart either. a lot of their early game interactions don't vibe to me like theater

[GuiltyLion]

you have a fundamental misunderstanding of how my brain works

no, I know. that was 75% memeing and 25% wishful thinking that it actually could be that simple.

oh yeah, i just saw town!s_s give his all in a lylo in a game i was modding and i want to like, see some of that fire before i actually townread him

telling you right now this isn't going to happen. I said that game was the hardest I've tried in like a year, and it was a combination of (a) I knew half the solve and was pretty damn confident in the other half, (b) I had legitimate mechanical arguments I could push, and (c) the person in charge of deciding was someone who knew me very well and whose scumhunting skills I respected a lot. If you try to scumread me for not playing like I did that game you are setting yourself up for disappointment

s_s, if i asked you to dance, what would you say

Probably something along the lines of "we'll see". I forget did you say you wanted an active PT? Because I will mostly be composing poetry in mine. (The most fun dance game I ever played included a section where everyone was writing poems and I want to get back into that. WAIT SHIT I HAD AN IDEA my new year's resolution should be to write at least one poem in every game I play.)

also who's your preferred dance partner as of right this moment

look ok there's a reason I wanted to be a lady and it was so I wouldn't have to make any decisions.

Serious answer is the same one I gave Taly-- it depends on how I'm being read. The ideal way to form pairs in this setup is to pair up people who are being read approximately the same. Obviously it's more nuanced than that (really you want the consensus read on X to match X's read on Y, where X is the one among the two that is easier to read), but my decisions are obviously going to be different if everyone's clamoring for my head compared to if everyone is fine with me.

Sorry for the chaotic energy of this post I also slept horribly last night.

this post in particular

it's one of the longest, most detailed posts in Smart's early game

and all of it is speaking to Datisi

I feel that is far more likely scum trying to worm their way into a townie's good graces than two scumbuds just meaninglessly fake riffin on shit in the main thread

if I'm going Deep in my analysis of it, the apology at the end too, like if he knows he and Datisi are teammates and Datisi isn't gonna like pointlessly bury him without any real plan or gain, why does he feel self-conscious about this post enough to apologize? I think he's slightly worried Datisi is gonna want to keep probing his thought processes and to get ahead of that he preemptively excuses his post to Datisi for possibly being confusing

[GuiltyLion]

I guess towncasing Datisi isn't all that useful

because if I'm scum, that's both easy for me to do, knowing Datisi is town in that world, and also exactly what I

should

do as scum, in order to justify not leaving

probably it is more useful to try to continue to poke holes in a town!Ydra case

but, these are some reasons for why I don't think it's Datisi

[GuiltyLion]

hi

i’m zzz at this because i turned my brain off after the flip yesterday

i’m fine with leaving at some point because taly and i can’t go anywhere near endgame but i want time to think about things

when and why did your attitude change from here to not wanting to leave/die in 6p?