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Dwlee99

(5): The Bombay, Lady Lambdadelta, T3, mastina, SirCakez

mastina

(3): That Idiot Ivan, Suripoko, Shiro

Lady Lambdadelta

(2): Dwlee99, skitter30

Shiro

(1): jjh927

Not Voting

(2): Rogue, StrangeMatter

With 13 alive, it takes 7 to eliminate.

Deadline: January 15, Midnight US Eastern Time.

Countdown: (expired on 2022-01-14 21:00:00)

Mod Notes:

Malakittens head of Rogue v/la
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[StrangeMatter]

Also, I'm worried about Dwlee being scum at this point since I've seen his scum game play and they are really good at it so...I'm keeping a closer eye on them.

I would say that a good portion of this playerlist has good scum games. Is there something from this game that made you worried about Dwlee in particular, or is this entirely a holdover from a prior game?

Well, putting it that way I have played games with them and seen their scum gameplay, been fooled by them before, and have seen more of their scum games than games I've played with people I have played with in this game. So it is a holdover from a prior game that makes me put them as potential scum to be worried about.

Ignoring your past game paranoia, what would be your read on Dwlee so far?

Do you have any scum reads yet?

Currently no hard scumreads though those are normally very difficult. Dwlee I feel is in a weird place. The reaction they had and the conversation devolves into nonsensical noise that goes nowhere is scummy to me. I agree with some parts of LLD's posts when I read them such as #208 about flavor claiming being not a great idea since most of the time they are tied to the role itself. I think that this is a comment that isn't easily made by scum that I townlean them.

[mastina]

44 was not a read. It was a response. I don't like the idea of the proxy vote, but I was not saying that you doing the proxy vote was scummy.

83 was not a read. It was a joke vote, because I got rick rolled. That was made explicit in post 85 and again in 87.

Perhaps my usage of the term 'reads' was too restrictive.

I didn't strictly mean reads, so much as "content of posts".

Your 44 and 83 might not be reads (and yes I am fully aware they were not reads)--but the content of the posts still fit the same pattern as your stated reads. As a reiterating, I found both 44 and 83? To be: not genuine. Looks faked, surface-level interactions, and forced. More like trying to appear as town(/scumhunting), rather than being genuine. I linked them because they still fit the pattern shown even if they are strictly speaking not reads in of themselves. They still show the lack of genuine depth I'd expect from a town player.

[jjh927]

You don't need to flavourclaim
I think you should have said enough to satisfy people already

VOTE: jjh
This reeks of whiteknighting. Especially because LLD is a very loud player.

Elaborate

You are free to call out "whiteknighting" if you like. Without pointing out any cool buzzwords, what makes you think this is scum aligned behaviour in this instance?

okay. you're reassuring and calling bombay town in order to gain their trust.

What makes you think this is scum aligned behaviour in this instance?

[jjh927]

Just so we're clear on what I want here T3, what you did there was define the buzzword rather than identify any underlying reason for why you think it is scum aligned behaviour, through which you continue to display a simplistic outlook that is easily faked by scum as you are not actually looking for scum but rather things that people commonly agree (regardless of their accuracy) are considered "scummy".

[jjh927]

Oh, and continuing my commentary on the chess game there

Black did play the predicted nf6 there which threatens the e4 pawn. White will inevitably play nc3 next, black probably does be7 to open up for castling and then the game should start to actually open up a bit depending on white's move following that

[Rogue]

I’m going to make the super obvious comment here that one side of the chess match is probably scum.

[skitter30]

Eh not convinced - what if 2 townies picked chess themed subreddits?

[Rogue]

I mean I suppose it could be an innocuous thing altogether? Idk. It feels very reminiscent of the isekai games that gave bonuses to either alignment and I don’t think it’s likely it’s two townies fighting over a bonus?

[The Bombay]

44 was not a read. It was a response. I don't like the idea of the proxy vote, but I was not saying that you doing the proxy vote was scummy.

83 was not a read. It was a joke vote, because I got rick rolled. That was made explicit in post 85 and again in 87.

Perhaps my usage of the term 'reads' was too restrictive.

I didn't strictly mean reads, so much as "content of posts".

Your 44 and 83 might not be reads (and yes I am fully aware they were not reads)--but the content of the posts still fit the same pattern as your stated reads. As a reiterating, I found both 44 and 83? To be: not genuine. Looks faked, surface-level interactions, and forced. More like trying to appear as town(/scumhunting), rather than being genuine. I linked them because they still fit the pattern shown even if they are strictly speaking not reads in of themselves. They still show the lack of genuine depth I'd expect from a town player.

So Rouge made not one, not two, but three rickroll style posts 81, 95, 102, and I responded with joke anger at having been successfully rickrolled. Rogue is your towniest of town reads, but me joking back around with him is part of your evidence that I am the scummiest player in the game?

To be fair, I don't think that my response was a town indicative one. I am pretty sure that I would have responded to Notty posting a rickroll link the exact same way if I were scum. But it does feel strange for you to look at that interaction, declare that my half of the interaction was a surface level, scummy interaction, but that Rogue is obviously town.

~Luke

[The Bombay]

On an unrelated note, jjh, what is your read of Mastina?

[Rogue]

95 was Mala and not a rickroll link btw

[jjh927]

On an unrelated note, jjh, what is your read of Mastina?

I have a tendency to just townread Mastina. This is correct most of the time, but my awareness of the tendency still lowers my faith on my early Mastina reads

Currently I am townreading Mastina

[skitter30]

Fwiw i am not

[Shiro]

Are we playing a game? Cause I want to join!

Vote:Dwee

What book? It's not a game? He is being yeeted?! Oh he is bad because he overreacted to a post calling his memes obvious red flags and then spend 2 pages trying to shield himself behind someone that didn't scum read them, attempting to appear much better by isolating discussion in a much safer environment with them?

Well in that case get yeeted evil rat.

[Dwlee99]

Unannounced E-1 this early? For real?

[Shiro]

Also books says Mastina is bad, trying to hide herself and all associates behind voting only with LLD.

Normally if that was done for fun or whatever, I would be much more inclined to think nothing of it. But the over explanation as to why and all that seems to me that she is trying to be extremely caution about it as well.

[Shiro]

Unannounced E-1 this early? For real?

Rawr

[Rogue]

I’m going to call the above town too.

[Dwlee99]

Yes E-1ing town this early in D1 is townie

[The Bombay]

UNVOTE:

For now, but I still scumread Dwlee99. Talk to you guys later!

[Dwlee99]

VOTE: t3

I think this has highest chance of flipping scum rn

[SirCakez]

Cakez called me doing that scummy

no, what's scummy is the rapid mode change from meme mode to full tilt defense
there's nothing wrong with defensiveness in of itself

[SirCakez]

feel better soon Mala!

[SirCakez]

I’m going to make the super obvious comment here that one side of the chess match is probably scum.

not necessarily? this is a weird comment

VOTE: t3

I think this has highest chance of flipping scum rn

why?