Holiday Dance Party ---- Game Over

[Taly]

I really don't know how you both authentically believe you're massively pocketing each other and then consider scum at elo.

what? i don't believe gl is pocketing me, what does this even mean?

Or consider that they might be pocketing you.

[Datisi]

i have considered it

then i reread the put and some parts of this game and came to the conclusion i am being paranoid for nothing

[Datisi]

before you ask "where did you consider it" i posted about it in the pt

[GuiltyLion]

Ok, so how about you tell my how you aren't distancing from your scumpartner SS this game?

what do you think I did that would set myself up to endgame on a Smart scumflip?

I can't really answer this question all that well cause like, my early game with Smart, me trying to ice him out of the dance, probably is closer to how I'd treat him as a buddy. But then after the first dance started, why would I just pivot into loltownreading him for no reason if my goal was to bus?

I didn't re-evaluate on him at all until Shiro/HQ flipped T-T and it was clear something was deeply wrong with the game. But even when I suspected him or started pushing their pair, I didn't do it to make myself look good, I didn't do it to survive.

I'd say my associatives with marci/Andante are actually the ones I'd point to that show I wasn't playing to my usual scum strategy. If I knew Andante was scum and going down by virtue of being partners with Fire, I'd never have the progression ("town", "ok well I guess she could be scum but I don't want to flip her because it won't help me solve the game") on her that I did

this argument is kinda inherently WIFOMy so I'm not sure it's that useful, but it's my best effort

[GuiltyLion]

taly, if i need to get up three hours earlier tomorrow so that i have time to paraphrase 16 pages of our pt, i will do it if it's needed

I can also do this tonight but I might eat an edible later so it might be a little not-sharp

[GuiltyLion]

hi

i’m zzz at this because i turned my brain off after the flip yesterday

i’m fine with leaving at some point because taly and i can’t go anywhere near endgame but i want time to think about things

when and why did your attitude change from here to not wanting to leave/die in 6p?

also Taly please think about this

immediately after intermission, Ydrasse is all "we can't endgame, I'm fine with dying, just give me time to think"

but then in 6p when Alyssa and I are like "let's yeet Ydra", she gets all offended about how could we possibly think she's scum, she just wants us to see that she's town

how is that a consistent mindset? she

knows

not being NK'd means her slot is inherently Very Suspicious

and she's tried to claim that as scum she wouldn't pair with the IC but you kinda forced her hand proposing it while Norwee was stalling and I think it's a disingenuous thought because avoiding an IC proposal, especially after a lot of people voiced support for it, would just look a million times worse

[Taly]

and she's tried to claim that as scum she wouldn't pair with the IC but you kinda forced her hand proposing it while Norwee was stalling and I think it's a disingenuous thought because avoiding an IC proposal, especially after a lot of people voiced support for it, would just look a million times worse

Dude you made the same argument against Norwe for wanting to read the thread before accepting my proposal.

Pick a lane on what is scum and what is town behavior.

[GuiltyLion]

we have "similar" takes because we talk in the pt a lot and because we're generally similar players. looking over some of our t/t games would confirm that.

I think on this too

if we each know our slot is town and townreach each other, we're naturally gonna have very similar perspectives on how scum is playing around us

like for example I think we both can feel that Smart's play at 8p just fundamentally doesn't vibe with a world where the other scum is in our pair

I get that it might feel a little different when our pair is 2 unknowns instead of 1, and when your pair contains a conftown it's always going to be treated differently by everyone in the game, town or scum

but a lot of the mindmelds I've felt with Datisi have been grounded in him thinking the same things about what scum would be doing if we're T/T vs if we're T/S, especially being under so much scrutiny this game

[GuiltyLion]

and she's tried to claim that as scum she wouldn't pair with the IC but you kinda forced her hand proposing it while Norwee was stalling and I think it's a disingenuous thought because avoiding an IC proposal, especially after a lot of people voiced support for it, would just look a million times worse

Dude you made the same argument against Norwe for wanting to read the thread before accepting my proposal.

Pick a lane on what is scum and what is town behavior.

what?

avoiding an IC proposal is scummy

Norway avoided it
Ydrasse didn't avoid it and then tried to say as scum she would avoid it

there's no lane changing here

[Taly]

Ugh Ydrasse is leaving this to me meh.

I sympathize with her position regardless of her alignment but spite is the opposite of what is going to help me solve here.

[Taly]

Oh my god how do unfuck my head

[GuiltyLion]

I really think you should just

set aside everything

look at how Ydrasse interacted with each of the flipped scum, in the main thread only

and then compare to how Datisi and I did

[Datisi]

i'm going to try to sleep for real, i have to drive tomorrow, i should not do that tired

taly, if you wanna discuss specifics about my or gl play, let me know. i will do my best to create time for this game

[Taly]

I think I'm just going to end this

[Taly]

Leave the dance.

Gg, sorry if it's a town loss.

[PookyTheMagicalBear]

Taly has left in the Second Dance

He was aligned with the

Town

Ydrasse has left in the Second Dance

She was aligned with the

Mafia

Congrats to the

Town

of Datisi, GuiltyLion, Titus, Save The Dragons, Taly, RH9, Galron, Firebringer, Not_Mafia, Alyssa The Lamb, Malakittens, Shiro, HarleyQuinn, for winning Holiday Dance Party!

Thanks to the Mafia of Ydrasse, Andante, Something_Smart and Marcistar for putting up a valiant contest!

[PookyTheMagicalBear]

PTs:


Taly/Ydrasse Dance PT
Firebringer/Andante Dance PT
STD/Titus Dance PT
Shiro/HQ Dance PT
Galron/SS Dance PT
Not_Mafia/Marci Dance PT
Datisi/GuiltyLion Dance PT
RH9/Alyssa Dance PT
Mafia PT <Discord Dump Coming Later>
Dead/Spec PT
Mod PT
RH9 Notes PT


Mafia Discord HTML Link:
https://drive.google.com/file/d/1To3TxW ... sp=sharing

[PookyTheMagicalBear]

I want to thank everyone for participating - I didn't have to warn too many people and I'm glad we got through it all!

This game was a rollercoaster of emotions for me, so many swings and turns - here are some of my favorite moments from the game:

Spoiler: #10

Spoiler: #9

Spoiler: #8

Spoiler: #7

Spoiler: #6

Spoiler: #5

Spoiler: #4

Spoiler: #3

Spoiler: #2

Spoiler: #1

[Datisi]

[GuiltyLion]

DATISI THE MUTUAL TOWNWIN WE DID IT AAAAAAHHHHHHH

gg all, very well played by the scumteam it was super close

I gotta run for now but will certainly be back later for postgame bantz

[Ydrasse]

WHY WAS I ALIVE SO LONG

[Firebringer]

Two things:

1) FUCK I LOST THE BET. I WAS SO SURE TALY WAS GOING TO HOLLDDD THE LINE

2) I TOLD YALL WEEKS AGO DATS AND GL SHOULD BE ENDGAME PAIR SO I AM VINDICATED!

[Ydrasse]

[Alyssa The Lamb]

This game was infinitely harder than it ever needed to be

[Ydrasse]

taly my toucan im so sorry i had to do that to you </3

but also

YOU MISSED ME

TRYING TO SCUMSLIP

TO YOU IN THE PT