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Post Post #475 (ISO) » Thu Jan 06, 2022 4:48 pm

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In post 473, Ircher wrote:As promised, here are some examples of MUSH's fallacious logic.
In post 80, MUSHSHAGANA wrote:The content of your post reads EXACTLY in theme with a specific part of Control, but its a part that wouldn't be very likely to come up in a green role PM. If you hadn't fluffposted without thinking through the consequences of your actions you might have been fine, but instead you fluffposted in a way that gave the game away, precisely because you didn't know what you were talking about. Sorry bud
According to MUSH, Cephrir is scum for because it isn't likely to have come from a town role pm. Let me point out some of the various ways this argument is fallacious:

1: It presupposes that Cephrir is familiar with the source material. This is evidently false because in , Cephrir explicitly states he is not familiar with the source material. You may argue that it's scum indicative regardless, but there's nothing preventing someone with a town alignment who is unfamiliar with the source material from making the exact same post. While it may be true perhaps that a scum role pm may make such a post more likely (I wouldn't know as I don't know the source material), it is at best a marginal difference.

2: It also presupposes that Cephrir's role is directly related to the post at hand and that Cephrir pulled material from his role pm to make that post. There is no evidence in favor of this assumption; in fact, later posts highly suggest this is not the case as Cephrir denied MUSH's guess in .

The following two go together.
In post 106, MUSHSHAGANA wrote:Ircher why do you think I'm making any claims about Cephrir specifically and not a general statement about anyone in the circumstances Cephrir finds himself in
In post 111, MUSHSHAGANA wrote:Ceph and I have never played together, there is no meta being used here

I guess you're still scum. Great job bolstering my early hypothesis
MUSH's argument here is that I am scum at least in part because I misinterpreted one of MUSH's earlier posts as being a specific observation about Cephrir rather than a general observation. For reference, the post I misinterpreted was :
In post 63, MUSHSHAGANA wrote:Look if you didn't want to get burned down early then you should've used your noggin before you fluffposted, now its too late and that's your problem not mine
I would like to point out that if you are reading chronologically (and thus haven't seen the elaboration in , then it is very easy to interpret this post as MUSH scum reading fluffposting in general. My assumption was since that in the general case, that does not equate scum, there must have been something specific between MUSH and Cephrir that led to Cephrir's post being scummy in MUSH's eyes. does not contradict my initial assumption; in fact, it reinforced it. Finally, there was also Lady Lambdadelta's take in , and her take is in fact a meta read. These factors combined, my original assumption, while incorrect, was reasonable. The issue here is that MUSH is trying to twist this around and paint it as scum!me protecting scum!Cephrir. MUSH is completely ignoring the "how would town come to this assumption" and instead jumps straight to the conclusion that reinforces MUSH's own preexisting bias. The argument that I am scum for making an incorrect assumption is fallacious because it completely ignores all the other equally plausible scenario and instead picks the one that fits in the most with MUSH's narrative.
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Post Post #476 (ISO) » Thu Jan 06, 2022 4:48 pm

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Ircher buddy my argument relied on him being honest abt having no familiarity with the source material and going off of role PM alone because even passing familiarity with the source material would make it obvious this was a bad idea LOOOOOOL

And nah you're not scum for protecting Ceph, you're scum on your own unique and individual and irreplaceable merits don't you worry buddy
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Post Post #477 (ISO) » Thu Jan 06, 2022 4:50 pm

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mush non est legit cephrires recte.
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Post Post #478 (ISO) » Thu Jan 06, 2022 4:53 pm

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non scio si dwlee et arcade est urbs
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Post Post #479 (ISO) » Thu Jan 06, 2022 4:56 pm

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Do keep in mind rule 5. The translate thing was a joke
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Post Post #480 (ISO) » Thu Jan 06, 2022 5:02 pm

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In post 474, T3 wrote:i T3.
i want to read Galron as town but I don't read
In post 475, T3 wrote:You are not a crowd, it is a town.
In post 477, T3 wrote:mush not read cephrires correctly.
In post 478, T3 wrote:i don't know if dwlee and arcade is town
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Post Post #481 (ISO) » Thu Jan 06, 2022 5:06 pm

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"i know some latin"
i'll stop because google translate seems to have butchered what i'm saying but i also messed up the gramma
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Post Post #482 (ISO) » Thu Jan 06, 2022 5:33 pm

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In post 278, Greeting wrote:Sorry, Ircher, that's not satisfactory.
Patience is a virtue.
In post 291, Greeting wrote:Isn't that what meta is, though? Judgement of someone's play by how they played in other games, regardless of whether you've been in that game or not?
Yes. Unfortunately, some people take a very narrow-minded view of what constitutes meta which leads to confusion.
In post 297, Lady Lambdadelta wrote:Say something townie or die.
Noraa has in fact said some townie things so far. Marginally so perhaps, but townie-indicative nonetheless.
In post 368, Lady Lambdadelta wrote:Agree that my fakeviging is not AI, but noraa has to give you something...
I disagree. There's really only one reaction to a fake vig and that's "Why did you just do this?" Both scum and town are going to have the same reaction.
In post 374, Lady Lambdadelta wrote:Man this does not make me feel better about Ceph. I feel ike you named 2 townies as town, pushed townie mush as scum and Ceph kind of stands otu.

I'm saying this read list is weird.
I don't think it's weird if the assumption is that MUSH is scum. The other reads pretty much fall into play after that. I know you disagree with that assumption, but it's still a valid one to make.
In post 383, T3 wrote:uhh why?
Because I scumread it....
In post 398, NorwegianboyEE wrote:Ok, but point is. If Noraa was scum they would probably twist their emotions in a certain manipulative way.
And here it’s more like the: "i can’t believe you’ve done this" guy that just looks utterly betrayed.
I could just be totally wrong here, but that’s honestly what i feel.
Sure, but that is by no means conclusive. It is a point in Noraa's favor, but she needs more than just that for a full-fledged town read.
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Post Post #483 (ISO) » Thu Jan 06, 2022 5:42 pm

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In post 271, Lady Lambdadelta wrote:his is extra funny because both my parents were high level private sector and government defense lawyers.
thought u were bragging about having pirates as parents
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Post Post #484 (ISO) » Thu Jan 06, 2022 5:46 pm

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In post 278, Greeting wrote:MUSHSHAGANA, but not specifically because I thought their reasoning was fallacious.
read as confused to me
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Post Post #485 (ISO) » Thu Jan 06, 2022 6:00 pm

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I’m confused now.
I kind of hate Ircher’s and Mush’s wagons.
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Post Post #486 (ISO) » Thu Jan 06, 2022 6:10 pm

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I think we should probably refocus. I forgot how distracting Noraa can be.
I don’t know what Ircher is doing at all. But I’m fine leaving him be as I don’t think the current game state is necessarily his fault, he’s mostly just jumping in people’s faces. It just feels like posturing to me, but I don’t really see much of any angle.

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Post Post #487 (ISO) » Thu Jan 06, 2022 7:10 pm

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i, on the other hand find ircher more scummy now.

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Post Post #488 (ISO) » Thu Jan 06, 2022 7:11 pm

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i do not wish to elaborate because the reasons i think are influenced by something that really just isn't gonna be helpful when trying to figure out irchers alignment

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Post Post #489 (ISO) » Thu Jan 06, 2022 7:25 pm

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In post 358, Lady Lambdadelta wrote:Plus titus felt towny so
What about me felt townie?

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Post Post #490 (ISO) » Thu Jan 06, 2022 7:29 pm

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In post 429, Tet wrote:Man my crumb game is on fire right now.
In post 430, The Three Bears wrote:my crumb game on fire too

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In post 431, Save The Dragons wrote:You guys are crumbTRACKERing?
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In post 379, Save The Dragons wrote:this is like the first time ever i tr norwee and everyone's sus on him smh
Last time this happened weren't you opposing scum factions??


Also don't burn the crumbs -.-;

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Post Post #491 (ISO) » Thu Jan 06, 2022 7:41 pm

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Ok, scum Face. Here's the deal. My homicide trial got continued. So that means I have about 1 month to conquer this game by detailing all of your henchpeople to where you have no choice but to resign.

Time to reflect on your life choices because I'm going to catch you by protecting my town babies.

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Post Post #492 (ISO) » Thu Jan 06, 2022 9:16 pm

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Oh wow, never mind that Bell read.
Their shading of Ircher wagon is yucky.
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Post Post #493 (ISO) » Thu Jan 06, 2022 9:39 pm

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In post 7, Roden wrote:VOTE: Greeting
In post 12, NorwegianboyEE wrote:Ah shit, here we go again.
In post 19, Malakittens wrote:Going to be VLA for a couple days. My mom is Covid positive and I’m either Covid positive or I got the flu, but waiting on results. I just can’t stay awake for more than a couple minutes right now :/
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In post 11, Dwlee99 wrote:VOTE: Roden
Town?
In post 6, Arcade Pals wrote:Second
VOTE: MUSH
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In post 5, Ircher wrote:First
VOTE: MUSH
In post 18, Cephrir wrote:Good evening
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Post Post #494 (ISO) » Thu Jan 06, 2022 9:40 pm

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what's yucky about it?

fwiw i don't have a problem with the ircher votes, but i'm on the fence whether they come from scum or low charisma. if someone thinks they can see scum motivation there feel free to elaborate.

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Post Post #495 (ISO) » Thu Jan 06, 2022 9:41 pm

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they = ircher's posts, not the votes on him.
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Post Post #496 (ISO) » Thu Jan 06, 2022 9:44 pm

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In post 493, mastina wrote:Town?
Wtf
I prefer they, thanks :)
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Post Post #497 (ISO) » Thu Jan 06, 2022 9:46 pm

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In post 28, tictac wrote:u guys got beef?
Deserved, thanks to what I did.

(Also tictac's town.)
In post 30, NorwegianboyEE wrote:
In post 24, mastina wrote:I'll vote whoever LLD does (even if it's me).
Why are you doing that?
It's my way at attempting to make amends for past wrongs.

I really wanted to play this game but LLD had signed up for it before I did, and I wanted to make sure she didn't replace out thanks to my presence, so...
In post 29, Tet wrote:I start the game informed that LLD is red.
In post 34, Bell wrote:Folks.
In post 45, The Three Bears wrote:VOTE: mastina
Town.
In post 31, Greeting wrote:Greetings!
In post 46, Princess Elodie wrote:VOTE: The three bears
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In post 33, MegAzumarill wrote:VOTE: Save The Dragons
In post 44, Galron wrote:VOTE: three bears
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Post Post #498 (ISO) » Thu Jan 06, 2022 9:51 pm

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The Three Bears (Titus, Flea the Magician, Noraa)
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Lady Lambdadelta

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Greeting

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Ircher
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Kinda surprised that I genuinely have a good readslist from literally just two pages but this is genuinely seriously actually a good readslist imo.
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Post Post #499 (ISO) » Thu Jan 06, 2022 10:03 pm

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In post 182, Lady Lambdadelta wrote:Mush feels town to me tbh.
I'm having a hard time pinning down an alignment for Mush but since I'm sheeping LLD and Ircher/Cephrir (both LLD pushes) are slots I scumread anyway, I might as well sheep her on Mush being town. :P
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