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[Galron]

And by that logic, mastina submitted town as preference, which would not auto town-bin her if I'm looking at this correctly.

[Mizzytastic]

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MegAzumarill (4): Greeting, Titus, House, mastina

[E-3]

mastina (2): Flea The Magician, MegAzumarill
Galron (1): Scorpious
Taly (1): Enchant
House (1): CheekyTeeky
CheekyTeeky (1): Taly

Not Voting (3): Galron, Yume, ɀefiend

With 13 players alive, it takes 7 votes to achieve an eliminaton.

Day 1 will end in (expired on 2022-01-15 21:40:00).

[Galron]

VOTE: yume

[House]

VOTE: yume

Your vote lacks flavor.

Season it up a bit.

[Flea The Magician]

Well, what reads do you disagree with?

I'm more curious about how my vote is an easy vote to make than being wilfully disected currently.

You're contesting the PoE off the basis that you're in it and not digressing into why the solve lacks conviction or has potential fallacies to it.

Hence why I prompted you to voice any discontent because I can't tell your alignment based off your current reply other than I disagree with your take on

mastina's

intentions.

VOTE: mastina

Well that was easy.
Mastina knows my scum game, and knows I thrive more on scum because I actually find it easier to make reads as scum. I also have a pretty comprehensive wiki, which miraculously seems to have been forgotten about.

My scum games do such admittedly, but it's no secret I play for fun over form.

I'm also strong mislim bait because of my erratic behaviour and thought patterns.. the PoE seems too convenient to me and the reasoning lacks her usual convictions.

The PoE is irrelevant. She's gone to some lengths to gather meta on people and generate reads.

House I think has stated his town/scum preference before, but I sadly can't remember it and he has no real wiki so I have to keep him in the pool for now until I track it down.

Ditto for Flea; fae might've stated faer preference but I can't remember it.

This is my staging point against this. Mastinas seen me at my best and worst of both alignments, and has no difficulty in reading me. If I can't pocket her, I nk her.
Going back to the post, to me this reads as Me and House may have stated preference, but don't have wiki's to check what we're like.

Go look at my wiki, I'll wait a moment.... Flea The Magician if you need the link...
It's pretty comprehensive. I need to add a couple games and clean up a little but still. There's more than enough there to work with.

Spoiler: Notes

TOWN

PREFERENCE:

mastina

House
Scorpious
Yume
Greeting
Flea the Magician
CheekyTeeky (after much resistance)
ɀefiend

NO ALIGNMENT PREFERENCE:

Taly
Titus
Galron

SCUM

PREFERENCE:

Enchant? (Not sure if serious)

PREFERENCE NOT YET STATED:

MegAzumarill

Same post, ftr. Mine and House's alignment preferences are there.

So sadly, that doesn't narrow the pool down as much as I want, but it still helps as a starting point.

It's a false start imo, and one setting up to secure the usual suspects for elimination, I know House also tends to be limbait.
The PoE is flawed. But hey lets address it based on what we have so far.
I believe this would be considered the equivilent of pissing into the wind.

If I had to go gun to my head, I'd say that in {Yume, Flea, House}, towniest to scummiest it'd be House > Yume > Flea.

This is funny. I made 4 posts, 2 RVS votes, one projecting doubt on the logic that was coming, and my claims.
Yume has 1 post, and it's their claims.
House has several and is being themselves, he's laid back and doesn't seem to be taking this seriously.
So we're left with this.

All 3 scum are in {CheekyTeeky, MegAzumarill, House, Yume, Flea the Magician};
CheekyTeeky and MegAzumarill have a high chance of being scum;
House is less likely scum;
There's 1-2 scum in {Yume, Flea the Magician};
There's basically a guaranteed scum, 1-2, in {CheekyTeeky, MegAzumarill}.

We have a PoE of 4, early D1, from a mechsolve attempt in a uPick where we don't know if someones lying or not.
Me, who has said from the start this is all subject to wifom and hasn't taken this seriously but gone with it anyway.
Yume the One-Post-Wonder
Azu who I haven't read
CT who seems to be quite into the game and sits just above null with me currently.

I struggle to make reads beyond the snap reads I can be pretty decent with. I'm confident in this one.

[Scorpious]

VOTE: yume

Why vote for the first time 7 minutes after a VC was posted.

And for a person that has said nothing?

Were you worried about the perception of you not having one in?

[Galron]

VOTE: yume

Why vote for the first time 7 minutes after a VC was posted.

And for a person that has said nothing?

Were you worried about the perception of you not having one in?

Yes.

[Scorpious]

VOTE: yume

Why vote for the first time 7 minutes after a VC was posted.

And for a person that has said nothing?

Were you worried about the perception of you not having one in?

Yes.

Why?

[Galron]

VOTE: yume

Why vote for the first time 7 minutes after a VC was posted.

And for a person that has said nothing?

Were you worried about the perception of you not having one in?

Yes.

Why?

Reasons.

[Yume]

*appears*

VOTE: Cheeky

*disappears*

[Titus]

Mastina, let's talk about Galron for a bit. Galron makes perfect sense as a Meg partner. He says next to nothing about Yume's posting but votes anyway. That feels like an obvious attempt to eliminate LHF rather than a serious push on scum.

I actually like Yume voting Cheeky and acknowledge she will vanish. I can use that to reaffirm some reads I am developing, if things go like I expect. If Yume hadn't acknowledged, this would be another post entirely.

I like mastina for town, while this isn't out of her scumrange, this reminds me of the game where we were masons.

[Titus]

Oh and scorpious is town bc mindmeld.

[Galron]

Spooky isn't it.

[Titus]

Who?

Oh EXTREME VLA TOMORROW AT 11:30 PST UNTIL SUNDAY.

~Mama

[Taly]

Can you give me a bit more on why

Meg

is scum or at least a better push than

Cheeky

and not the other way around?

[Titus]

Cheeky at least has something to work with outside setup spec. Meg's vote on mastina is reactionary. I don't know how Meg feels aside from objecting to townreads.

[CheekyTeeky]

we wouldn't have had to submit roles for both alignments.

That's the thing though.

We didn't have to.

It was optional to do as much as we did.

We did have to, the mod asked me to submit scum roles because they thought the roles I submitted were all town. Because I was bcc'd I assumed that was sent to everyone.

I'm starting to get the feeling that you submitted a scum preference and rolled scum so that now you're projecting that in your "scum hunting" technique.

[CheekyTeeky]

Also, it is not lost on me that your posting implies that you townread Titus/I because you're saying that we are being "won over" by a scummer. I don't follow the conclusion you made on either of our alignments and that only reinforces my belief you could be informed.

You've yet to see my true towngame which is messy af. I believe you will see it here in all of it's shining dumpster fire glory. My progressions and pushes will make little sense and will change like the wind so I would appreciate if you could give me some room to push people until I'm satisfied they're not scum.

[CheekyTeeky]

VOTE: mastina

I like flea for town also.

[CheekyTeeky]

I actually like Yume voting Cheeky and acknowledge she will vanish. I can use that to reaffirm some reads I am developing, if things go like I expect. If Yume hadn't acknowledged, this would be another post entirely.

Me too. I'll add both of you to the tentative town basket ^.^

[CheekyTeeky]

So I've got Enchant, Meg, Flea, Yume, Titus as varying shades of town. It's not a bad start tbh.
:single shoulder brush:

[CheekyTeeky]

Galron
mastina
Taly
Greeting
ɀefiend
House
Scorpious

If I remove zefiend that leaves 6 possible slots for scum I'll need to sort at some point. Taly and House will be particularly difficult for me because I acknowlege that I struggle to townread them generally. Taly will become clearer as the day goes on, house triggering certain reactions in me will hopefully appear at some point.

I'm watching you O_o

[Greeting]

@

mastina

If Enchant was serious about submitting scum preference, then I'm pretty sure that if the mod gave everyone their stated preference?

What do you mean by that?

(Technically, they could lie and say 'no preference', but I've reason to believe that everyone who claimed 'No Preference' is actually town here, just off of who the names claiming no preference are. I don't think scum truthfully claimed no preference given Enchant, and I don't think scum lied about it being no preference given who the names are and basic psychology in mafia play in that mafia would be afraid to claim 'no preference' if they thought that claiming no preference would make them more likely to be seen as a scum candidate.)

This seems overly reliant on WIFOM, if I understand you correctly.

Greeting has no completed scumgames per their wiki. They have four towngames and zero scumgames. The preference for a towngame is probably thus true and accurate. So Greeting is town.

I definitely have a town preference in general, but what, at the time of making that post, made you think that the fact that I haven't drawn scum in any single game of MafiaScum makes me unlikely to want to try it?

Scorpious's wiki leaves it unclear, but very loosely imo indicates that town is slightly more likely.

How?

Ugh, I wanted to quote almost every single piece of information to try to get you to elaborate on that.

Let me just say that I captured an overall theme of making rather flimsy (in my opinion) assumptions and drawing conclusions from them which you then pick as your direction. It baffles me why you'd say something like what you said about myself and then treat this as a starting point. I am highly doubtful of whether this is a good way to hit scum at all.

[Greeting]

This is what I'm sceptical about.

Yes mastina's reasoning is rubbish hence why I think she's scum. Like it would be useful information if it was a given that everyone would tell the truth but that's obviously not the case in this game

life

mafia. The information would be more useful to scum as they already know that most, if not all of the town would be telling the truth and could try to reverse engineer the possible town picks/generate a believable fake claim since they'll also have more info about the setup based on what's not in the set up and what roles mafia have.

VOTE: Mastina
The reasoning there is pretty abyssmal and I don't think it wasn't thought through so I'm leaning on malicious


Also no thought into actually why someone might not share their preference even though that reason was pretty clearly laid out in our first interaction.

(And whether that (players with town preference more likely to be prs) is true or not doesn't really matter, because it is clear that i think that which means outing my preference would imply whether I am pr or vanilla.)

Just because it's

rubbish

deeply flawed doesn't mean that it's automatically scum indicative imo.

Maybe I am WIFOMing here, but if the true purpose of this was town PR fishing, would she have been so blatant about it?

And if this was just meant to get her towncred, why would she be doing this Day 1 and insisting so strongly on it.

[Galron]

Don't bang your head against the wall too hard. Save some for later.