CONTROL - GAME OVER!

[MUSHSHAGANA]

Tet I don't see shit buddy, how bout you explain it to me so I can LOL abt it

mastina Idk what your Deal is with the town/scum "sorting" you're doing BUUUUUUUUT I don't like it can you explain the fuckin reads you're doing please thanks in advance!!! Also what the fuck I trust LLD every game I play with her to date tbh it should be NAI LOL

[MUSHSHAGANA]

Oh yeah also T3 I thought I'd say something abt your push but the fuckin argument is so bad after the back-n-forth I had with Noraa that it doesn't even make sense, try actually reading my fuckin posts lolllll

[SirCakez]

Votecount 1.2

"Maybe I'll Never Understand. Maybe I Don't Need To"

Ircher (7) - Save the Dragons, NorwegianboyEE, MegAzumarill, Galron, Lady Lambdadelta, MUSHSHAGANA, mastina
Mastina (3) - Tet, The Three Bears, Toogeloo
The Three Bears (2) - Princess Elodie, Arcade Pals
Cephrir (1) - Bell
Bell (1) - Cephrir
MUSHSHAGANA (1) - Ircher
Greeting (1) - Roden

Not voting (5) - Malakittens, tictac, T3, Dwlee99, Greeting

(expired on 2022-01-19 23:12:00) remain until day end

With 21 players alive, it takes 11 to reach a majority.

Malakittens is V/LA through January 10.
NorwegianboyEE is V/LA through January 10.

[Save The Dragons]

roden's posts are yucky

[Save The Dragons]

mastina's page 2 readlist is questionable

[The Three Bears]

Bell
Save The Dragons
The Three Bears (Titus, Flea the Magician, Noraa)
NorwegianboyEE
Tet
Roden
tictac
Malakittens
Lady Lambdadelta

Dwlee99
Princess Elodie
Greeting

T3

MUSHSHAGANA
Toogeloo

Galron
MegAzumarill
Arcade Pals (Dunnstral, MariaR)

Ircher
Cephrir

Kinda surprised that I genuinely have a good readslist from literally just two pages but this is genuinely seriously actually a good readslist imo.

Scum

~Mama

[The Three Bears]

That being said, I'm ok with voting Arcade.

[The Three Bears]

Do you plan on just sheeping LLD all game?

Well that depends on how good I think her reads are.

But vote-wise, until the end of D1 is the plan.

LLD is fully capable of being wrong and vocal D1 and it doesn't happen very often. I don't get why the sheep here.

~Mama

[The Three Bears]

Tet I don't see shit buddy, how bout you explain it to me so I can LOL abt it

mastina Idk what your Deal is with the town/scum "sorting" you're doing BUUUUUUUUT I don't like it can you explain the fuckin reads you're doing please thanks in advance!!! Also what the fuck I trust LLD every game I play with her to date tbh it should be NAI LOL

Oh yeah also T3 I thought I'd say something abt your push but the fuckin argument is so bad after the back-n-forth I had with Noraa that it doesn't even make sense, try actually reading my fuckin posts lolllll

I see why Ircher wanted to vote here.

~Mama

[The Three Bears]

Oh EXTREME VLA TOMORROW AT 11:30 PST UNTIL SUNDAY.

~Mama

[Cephrir]

Tet I don't see shit buddy, how bout you explain it to me so I can LOL abt it

mastina Idk what your Deal is with the town/scum "sorting" you're doing BUUUUUUUUT I don't like it can you explain the fuckin reads you're doing please thanks in advance!!! Also what the fuck I trust LLD every game I play with her to date tbh it should be NAI LOL

First paragraph: I dont get where the confidence is coming from here. They did explain it already, and I agree with them

Second: no, she can't. If you expect logic from everyone you are not going to like mastina.

[The Three Bears]

Second: no, she can't. If you expect logic from everyone you are not going to like mastina.

You must work for Samsonite because you're giving me a lot of baggage.

~Mama

[MUSHSHAGANA]

Noooo way its bears Ceph Ircher T3 Tet. Haaaa no way. That'd be counter productive, esp when this system's not that fuckin good historically (Death Curse excepted LOL)

So at least some of yall are coming from a town perspective on this argument vs me, and I do not understand it, its utter gibberish (not as bad as what Greeting was comin up with but still wtf LOL)

So like. Explain where the issue is, I laid my argument out for backing off of Ceph step by fuckin step, where's my mistake in it ffs?

[Cephrir]

i'll just give it a go: i believe tet's point is that your initial argument against me shouldn't be mitigated by any actions i take after the fact. if you believe i've scumslipped, then it shouldn't make a difference whether my posts are good

[MUSHSHAGANA]

But like its not hard to believe you might have come up with "alien imposter" shit on your own also???? Like a scumslip doesn't have to be fuckin binary it can be on a sliding scale and tbh probably usually IS on a sliding scale just people don't realize they're taking some grey-area shit and treating it as wholly yes/no LOL

And I explained all this shit in my step by step breakdown, like, it ISN'T entirely fuckin binary, there was a chance of you just not fuckin lying, and yet it still is a logical misstep HOW? Explain THAT part

[Cephrir]

But like its not hard to believe you might have come up with "alien imposter" shit on your own also????

considering i know this to be true, i agree!

i think people usually see scumslips as binary and if you don't that may be where the disconnect is

[MUSHSHAGANA]

LOL I can always be wrong, I thought I brought my light bar with me to the new place when I moved on the 1st and I didn't, I thought I got garbage bags on my trip the store today and didn't, I thought I caffeinated and hadn't, I forget my meds every damn day while swearing up and down I haven't missed a dose in days, if it relies on me being right abt something it's a fuckin crapshoot

[Bell]

Town?

Wtf

*raises eyebrow* explain what you meant here?

Is T3 scum. They ain’t doin’ nothin’

[MUSHSHAGANA]

T3 got that scum stink for sure yeah

[Galron]

I ain't doing nothin either.

[Bell]

I ain't doing nothin either.

Are you scum tho

[Galron]

No but I keep having to check my rc because it's a weird role.

[Greeting]

Roden, why do you think Greeting is the best vote for today?

I hate the RVS analysis posts. They made my eyes glaze over and it just read as information-over-analysis to me. It's typically a town tell to me, but there's a thin line between actually town telling and just LAMIST serious analysis posts.

Additionally, I don't think Greeting and LLD are aligned, and since I town read LLD I have to give Greeting the boot.

So, I took the time to analyse two players who were under suspicion at the moment and tried to understand the arguments against them and that's bad?

Half of the votes this game have either been not explained at all, or were given three lines of text at most. At least that's my impression. Sorry for wanting to make a more informed choice as to whom I'm voting out.

I also think that

Lady Lambdadelta

is town but I don't see a shred of an explanation why her being town makes me scum.

[Greeting]

As promised, here are some examples of MUSH's fallacious logic.

The content of your post reads EXACTLY in theme with a specific part of Control, but its a part that wouldn't be very likely to come up in a green role PM. If you hadn't fluffposted without thinking through the consequences of your actions you might have been fine, but instead you fluffposted in a way that gave the game away, precisely because you didn't know what you were talking about. Sorry bud

According to MUSH, Cephrir is scum for 57 because it isn't likely to have come from a town role pm. Let me point out some of the various ways this argument is fallacious:

1: It presupposes that Cephrir is familiar with the source material. This is evidently false because in 57, Cephrir explicitly states he is not familiar with the source material. You may argue that it's scum indicative regardless, but there's nothing preventing someone with a town alignment who is unfamiliar with the source material from making the exact same post. While it may be true perhaps that a scum role pm may make such a post more likely (I wouldn't know as I don't know the source material), it is at best a marginal difference.

2: It also presupposes that Cephrir's role is directly related to the post at hand and that Cephrir pulled material from his role pm to make that post. There is no evidence in favor of this assumption; in fact, later posts highly suggest this is not the case as Cephrir denied MUSH's guess in 123.

The following two go together.

Ircher why do you think I'm making any claims about Cephrir specifically and not a general statement about anyone in the circumstances Cephrir finds himself in

Ceph and I have never played together, there is no meta being used here

I guess you're still scum. Great job bolstering my early hypothesis

MUSH's argument here is that I am scum at least in part because I misinterpreted one of MUSH's earlier posts as being a specific observation about Cephrir rather than a general observation. For reference, the post I misinterpreted was 63:

Look if you didn't want to get burned down early then you should've used your noggin before you fluffposted, now its too late and that's your problem not mine

I would like to point out that if you are reading chronologically (and thus haven't seen the elaboration in 80, then it is very easy to interpret this post as MUSH scum reading fluffposting in general. My assumption was since that in the general case, that does not equate scum, there must have been something specific between MUSH and Cephrir that led to Cephrir's post being scummy in MUSH's eyes. 70 does not contradict my initial assumption; in fact, it reinforced it. Finally, there was also Lady Lambdadelta's take in 71, and her take is in fact a meta read. These factors combined, my original assumption, while incorrect, was reasonable. The issue here is that MUSH is trying to twist this around and paint it as scum!me protecting scum!Cephrir. MUSH is completely ignoring the "how would town come to this assumption" and instead jumps straight to the conclusion that reinforces MUSH's own preexisting bias. The argument that I am scum for making an incorrect assumption is fallacious because it completely ignores all the other equally plausible scenario and instead picks the one that fits in the most with MUSH's narrative.

Thanks for responding.

I've also read into the whole

Cephrir

thing and I think it's missing the information on what kind of insider information did they reveal. So maybe it's not fallacious reasoning

per se

, but definitely lacking some explanation that should have been there.

And also, there is the issue of how that wagon was suddenly dropped in favour of voting out you.

I agree with what has been said in the second part of your post and that's also part of my objection with regard to

MUSHSHAGANA

's slot too. Thing is, there's a lot of strong voices in defense of this slot which involves that player's meta and it's made me more hesitant to go with that too. Which is why I dropped it.

I think this post is good enough for me to not want to vote out

Ircher

yet

after all.

[Greeting]

Lady Lambdadelta
The Three Bears (Titus, Flea the Magician, Noraa)
Bell
Save The Dragons
NorwegianboyEE
Tet
Roden
tictac
Malakittens

Dwlee99
Princess Elodie
Greeting

MUSHSHAGANA

T3
Toogeloo

Galron
MegAzumarill
Arcade Pals (Dunnstral, MariaR)

Ircher
Cephrir

Kinda surprised that I genuinely have a good readslist from literally just two pages but this is genuinely seriously actually a good readslist imo.

Pagetopping this with the minor switch of T3/Mush (Mush trusting LLD, T3's entrance not being as town as I was hoping.)

So much confidence and putting up a whole readslist after so much meme-ing and fluff that was in this game?