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Dwlee99

(5): Lady Lambdadelta, T3, SirCakez, Shiro, mastina

SirCakez

(1): jjh927

T3

(1): Dwlee99

Lady Lambdadelta

(1): skitter30

mastina

(1): Suripoko

Not Voting

(4): Rogue, That Idiot Ivan, StrangeMatter, The Bombay

With 13 alive, it takes 7 to eliminate.

Deadline: January 15, Midnight US Eastern Time.

Countdown: (expired on 2022-01-14 21:00:00)

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Malakittens head of Rogue v/la
skitter30 v/la until Sunday night
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[skitter30]

I think cakez is town

[Rogue]

I forgot shiro, I like shiro too

I honestly find it weird Cakez isn’t scumreading me because Cakez ALWAYS scumreads me, and if he was taking that into consideration I feel like mixing up which hydra I’m in is kinda weird

[Lady Lambdadelta]

The pace is slowing so I want people to consolidate.

Pick a counter wagon to Dwlee and have people choose.

Also I have a giant post for when I am home about Dwlee's JK thing but the summary is there are a LOT of reasons scum may do that and even more they might point it out now so.

[Dwlee99]

I wonder why my partners haven't made a counter wagon or done anything to diffuse my elimination

oh wait

[Dwlee99]

I'm in this limbo where I'm like "I want to tunnel LLD cause this sucks and she hasn't engaged with anything I've posted for over a day or any of my stuff except to be like 'lol scum' and the JK post"

BUT

LLD has done something similar to me

and I do TvT tunnels frequentlyTM

But I'm worried the one time I don't actually do it that I'll be right

[Dwlee99]

To put all the quotes together to show what I'm talking about:

Spoiler: LLD asks for explanation of my early reads

I think if you give Dwlee a question with a big scope, like "explain all of your reads at once", they're not gonna answer it in the way you want

Well, to narrow the scope:

They say they crossed people off as town until they reached 6 names as a PoE.

I want to see what posts made them cross the other 6 off as town for and with what reasonings they came to those conclusions.

That is what I want. For each crossed off person.

It's not that hard to do? Considering they said they did it to arrive here.

So I just want them to replicate the process for me to see and judge.

I do it and they don't do any response or anything, their next post is to say they won't back off unless something is scummier or if they townread me

Spoiler:

Wait I’m dumb I thought you meant your post. Dwlee’s post just reads like someone who wants them to just back off but I don’t think LLD would back off if they are town considering past games.

Yeah never gonna have that happen. Only reason I back off anything is I townread the push or if I find something scummier

Spoiler: and here it's the same just calling me scum and giving me rope to die

Like, when I’m reading this post I hear “Back off this push and I’ll back off”

Oh I wanted to respond to this.

Yes, that's what I'm saying. LLD and I have done this and I feel like it completely derails everything and just isn't healthy. I'm glad she is giving me more space to do things other than respond to her cause I need(ed) that

To be clear I am giving you rope to hang yourself with, and enough space for others to read the interaction.

I have not seen anything that has made me not want to kill you.

Like, when I’m reading this post I hear “Back off this push and I’ll back off”

Oh I wanted to respond to this.

Yes, that's what I'm saying. LLD and I have done this and I feel like it completely derails everything and just isn't healthy. I'm glad she is giving me more space to do things other than respond to her cause I need(ed) that

To be clear I am giving you rope to hang yourself with, and enough space for others to read the interaction.

I have not seen anything that has made me not want to kill you.

I will say that this is slightly town indicative as well from LLD because tbh I'd expect her to know that I'm gonna flail and be scummier if she just like, posts accusations at me in relation to my more recent posts, than if I'm left to my own devices to solve here and can explain my thoughts.

I mean if I am wrong and need to re veal I would rather have the info.

And if I am right i would love to see what you do.

Make me want to lol.

You have done nothing to convince me you are town.

and then 100 posts happen and LLD's contribution is just asking people to consolidate

Spoiler:

The pace is slowing so I want people to consolidate.

Pick a counter wagon to Dwlee and have people choose.

Also I have a giant post for when I am home about Dwlee's JK thing but the summary is there are a LOT of reasons scum may do that and even more they might point it out now so.

And I feel like LLD is using me as a proxy to stay active

As in, doesn't need to interact with the thread or give reads if she can just focus on me and wagoning me etc.

And she hasn't done anything except for talk about me (and mention the chess game once) for about 2 days.

Spoiler: Last post I think that isn't about me or chess and it still is mostly about pushing me

It was that Bombay had not even commented yet themselves before you stepped in, if that wasn't clear I apologize.

It's not "never comment on this" it's "why are you commenting on this before I even see how Bombay reacts to the pressure?" which is why I indicated it was scum indicative (it has often been) to have that happen. The point of the message was to say I have my eyes on you for doing that specific thing, and see how you (and JJH) responded to it. It's less like... "you're not allowed to comment, so be quiet!" and more "okay, so you chose to comment before Bombay, giving them an easy out to lean on you (and JJH) making the pressure on that slot useless. Let's use the momentum and redirect to still try and learn something.

ok, fair enough, and i appreciate you takign the time to explain
that was the vibe i got tho and that's why it felt like shade - a vague general 'your actions are scum indicative' when i'm not sure 'commenting on the bombay push before they responded' really is

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irregardless of that i also don't really like either of your bombay or dwlee pushes so i'm fairly content with my vote for rn

pedit ah makes sense

I'd love to hear why you think the Dwlee push is bad.

The Bombay push was an RVS get info push, I'm not really set on it. You may have seen me do similar in Mtn Dew Mafia before I outed as IC wrt Dunn.

[T3]

Hi t3. I want to ask you a question

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[Lady Lambdadelta]

Is this Dwlee complaining that instead of focusing on other people and diluting the thread, I'm still pushing them?

Is this the same Dwlee who asked and thanked me for the space I gave them, then turned around and said I'm lurking and only using them to be active?

The same Dwlee who said they would flail and look worse if put into the position of me shoving them harder, and have as of yet completely failed to show anything of value?

That Dwlee?

[Lady Lambdadelta]

Let's be clear here, I want Dwlee dead and I'm not interested in shoving other people when Dwlee continues to be the scummiest person in thread for me.

I gave Dwlee plenty of space to interact with others, but their reads are lacking.

I gave Dwlee plenty of space to prove themselves as town, and I see nothing.

And now finally, when I've refused to lift my foot off Dwlee's throat, after Dwlee CALLED ME TOWN for giving them the space and not pressing on their throat harder.

Now Dwlee is making a case that I'm only talking about them, as if that is somehow scummy.

[Lady Lambdadelta]

I'm pretty well locked in today. Dwlee needs to die today. Their pushes are ineffectual and they were given space and time to create them.

Their reads are bad and fabricated, and they were never put in a position where their reads had to be forced.

Their flip flopping on me is opportunistic and appears more motivated by what will keep them alive than what is actually scummy.

This is scum, please vote Dwlee and let's move this game along. Or if you won't vote Dwlee, explain to me why and tell me who you are counterwagonning instead.

[Lady Lambdadelta]

Like I would like to progress to the part of this game where we put Dwlee at L-1, ask for a claim, hum and haw about whether we think that Cabd gives fake claims in this game, judge Dwlee's claim against the JK statement they made earlier.

[Dwlee99]

No, my issue is you're not doing ANY evaluation on me OR anyone else

[Dwlee99]

Like, I expect you to EVALUATE my new content. But you're not doing that. You're just calling me scum

[Lady Lambdadelta]

I have evaluated your content, and your new content doesn't impress me or change my mind.

the only reason I would case you would be to convince others. I don't believe I need to currently convince others, they already saw what I was pointing at before.

Like, your logic makes no sense. I'm convinced you're scum and you've failed to show me you're town, so why do I need to "evaluate" for you to see? I don't.

[Dwlee99]

Hope you're scum cause otherwise you're just prone to shitty pushes on me and can't even be arsed to think how maybe JUST MAYBE you could be wrong on me after you did this same fucking thing to me in the TSQ game. Remember how SURE you were that I was scum there? Yea so do I. So at least engage with the thought of me being town if you're not just trying to push a mislim through

[Dwlee99]

You think I've done NOTHING townie in the past uhh idk 60+ posts? NOTHING?

[Lady Lambdadelta]

You have this expectation of behaviour from me that is both unrealistic and not going to happen. I see no reason to go point for point with you. I've read your posts, I've decided you were scum, I sold my case and then gave you space to prove me wrong.

You didn't prove me wrong, nothing you've done has impressed me, so I'm calling for your death.

[Dwlee99]

Hi t3. I want to ask you a question

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Read like two posts ahead from that one

[Lady Lambdadelta]

Hope you're scum cause otherwise you're just prone to shitty pushes on me and can't even be arsed to think how maybe JUST MAYBE you could be wrong on me after you did this same fucking thing to me in the TSQ game. Remember how SURE you were that I was scum there? Yea so do I. So at least engage with the thought of me being town if you're not just trying to push a mislim through

Honestly you're being a miserable person to play with right now. I'm pretty sure you're scum, but even if I'm wrong, oh well. It's as much your fault as it is mine. Mistakes happen.

I'm kind of done interacting with you if you're going to be like this.

[Dwlee99]

Hope you're scum cause otherwise you're just prone to shitty pushes on me and can't even be arsed to think how maybe JUST MAYBE you could be wrong on me after you did this same fucking thing to me in the TSQ game. Remember how SURE you were that I was scum there? Yea so do I. So at least engage with the thought of me being town if you're not just trying to push a mislim through

Honestly you're being a miserable person to play with right now. I'm pretty sure you're scum, but even if I'm wrong, oh well. It's as much your fault as it is mine. Mistakes happen.

I'm kind of done interacting with you if you're going to be like this.

Tou fucking che

[Lady Lambdadelta]

Hope you're scum cause otherwise you're just prone to shitty pushes on me and can't even be arsed to think how maybe JUST MAYBE you could be wrong on me after you did this same fucking thing to me in the TSQ game. Remember how SURE you were that I was scum there? Yea so do I. So at least engage with the thought of me being town if you're not just trying to push a mislim through

Honestly you're being a miserable person to play with right now. I'm pretty sure you're scum, but even if I'm wrong, oh well. It's as much your fault as it is mine. Mistakes happen.

I'm kind of done interacting with you if you're going to be like this.

Tou fucking che

So what, your argument is that I'm treating you pooly by... scumreading you?

And that that is the same as your poor treatment of me here?

Are you seriously arguing that?

[Dwlee99]

I'm arguing you're pissing me off. Not much of an argument more of just a fact

[Lady Lambdadelta]

The fact that you don't think I've reconsidered is the most arrogant nonsense I've seen in a long time.

I have, infact, reconsidered, but you don't seem to think that I have. I wonder why that is.

Could it be that I've decided I still think you're scum? Are you so arrogant that you think if I had ACTUALLY reconsidered, I would see you as obviously town?

I think you're scum. Get over yourself. Maybe try convincing one of the other 6 people who think you're scum that you're town instead of being miserable at me.

[Dwlee99]

Me treating you poorly is apparently daring to question your motives for hard tunneling me despite DOING IT BEFORE AND BEING DEAD WRONG