open 841: concgratulations to the winners and losers

[Andante]

Datisi seems more interested in people's reads on him than actively finding maf

why do you assume that doing the former means i'm not doing the latter?

like, everytime I'm here it's "explain your read on me!" "What have you gained from voting me" stuff that if you're town, really isn't helping much I don't think. like i understand the side of "well if I'm being called town for this reason, they probably have tmi" but overall, I fail to see how you're actively trying to find maf, like, you don't have strong reads on anyone, and so far this game, you haven't even tunneled anyone for some bad reasoning of voting you, so like, it really feels like you're not trying to find maf

[Datisi]

ah, so because i'm not dishing out reads when nobody asked about them means that i don't have strong reads on anyone, and me actively pushing flow yesterday, and trying to vote out midway was nothing? cool cool cool i see the good faith you're approaching this with

it's kinda icky that you're going "well you're only asking about the reads on you!!" as a gotcha while at the same time acknowledging that it can produce results. AND asking me to give scumreads without ever bothering to actually answer the questions i've asked you in order to try to sort you! 10/100!!

[Alyssa The Lamb]

Wait Datisi is in the game?

[Datisi]

again, this is why andate is scummy here. posturing around a scumread on me, while doing absolutely nothing to sort me, or to acknowledge my questions, and making up a push on me that clearly doesn't hold water.

no, seriously, can anyone actually say what her progression on my slot has been this game? because i sure can't.

[Datisi]

Wait Datisi is in the game?

wow, okay.

[Alyssa The Lamb]

You barely talked in the part of the game I looked at so I have no real opinion of you

Real question though, do you think I'd be able to recognize you aren't town if I saw your scumgame?

[Datisi]

i think you would definitely feel that something is not as townie as you'd expect, considering you got that feeling of me the last two times i was town with you too. i don't actually know how strong that feeling would be, though.

[Andante]

again, this is why andate is scummy here. posturing around a scumread on me, while doing absolutely nothing to sort me, or to acknowledge my questions, and making up a push on me that clearly doesn't hold water.

no, seriously, can anyone actually say what her progression on my slot has been this game? because i sure can't.

So I'd respond to this but idk what you want me to say? reading you is not my main focus early game, if it was, I'd quite honestly be wasting my time, cause I'm pretty sure you're one of those people who is much easier to read late game, your entire game has basically revolved around my read on you. what do you truly want from me? I'm making an effort, said I'd step back, been trying to step back, I was wrong on Sleepless and IV, you KNOW I'm a pr, so it feels real odd that I've been your main focus all game, and instead of discussing actual reads with each other, you want me to come up with thoughts on you, which isn't how I really work, if I've outed stuff, there's my thoughts. I try to focus where I think needs my focus. I'm not gonna sit here and talk about why I TR a universal TR, I put effort/attention where it's needed.

I am a pr who still has use this game, so if you want to keep tunneling me, so be it, but I think it's a genuine waste of time to keep going at me - if you're town.
I'm not fighting people, so if you want to vote me out, have at it. but I'm playing this my way, and keeping it fun

[Datisi]

your entire game has basically revolved around my read on you

lol what? is this another game you're scum talking out of your ass? because this is complete bullshit.

for the record, the only things about me that i've asked of you were things that you openly said yourself. at one point you said i was becoming townie after you were suspecting me early game. why? oh no it's a secret. then you suddenly jumped in saying i was scummy. why? you ignore me. like don't play it as if i'm asking you to write a 14 page annotated case on me, i am asking you to elaborate on the things you've already said.

this is how i sort people. especially as i've noticed that scum you has no clue on how to elaborate on your read on me; you continuously evaded me when i asked you about it in dance game. why would i let it go now? i don't care that you're a power role, that doesn't make you town.

[Menalque]

sup

[Datisi]

also, due to barely sleeping last night and having a stressful test today, i will be going ti bed much earlier than planned. however, i will be around more tomorrow because we're moved online for the week, again.

[Menalque]

VOTE: cakez

[Andante]

your entire game has basically revolved around my read on you

lol what? is this another game you're scum talking out of your ass? because this is complete bullshit.

for the record, the only things about me that i've asked of you were things that you openly said yourself. at one point you said i was becoming townie after you were suspecting me early game. why? oh no it's a secret. then you suddenly jumped in saying i was scummy. why? you ignore me. like don't play it as if i'm asking you to write a 14 page annotated case on me, i am asking you to elaborate on the things you've already said.

this is how i sort people. especially as i've noticed that scum you has no clue on how to elaborate on your read on me; you continuously evaded me when i asked you about it in dance game. why would i let it go now? i don't care that you're a power role, that doesn't make you town.

- uhhh what? every interaction you've had with me here has been you yelling at me for not explaining reads on you? and it has felt like too many times, at least I'm pretty sure that's been the case here

- yeah, the elaboration stuff, I don't elaborate. that's how I work. and it's never enough for you here. I'll read one post like "yeah comes from town" so if I say "X is becoming townie" that's kinda all there is to that case, but you always seem to want more. yeah sure I could case people, but that takes too much time, and I've been wrong on cases before. like I'm not trying to ignore you, but idk how to explain this, I'm really not wanting to sit here and fight you on this. I'm town, and if you're town too, can we like find scum instead of this "omg you refuse to explain your read on me!!" cause this stuff isn't fun and just makes me want to go dissapear till tomorrow or whatever

- dance game was different. I wanted to replace out of that early on, I couldn't keep up, too busy IRL, but my partners were fun couldn't leave them. I didn't read like any of that game. and I've read almost all of this game, when people start fighting I check out, don't care to get involved there, this is just a game, and I'm trying. I literally gave you my exact thoughts at daystart here, but due to people going at it, half the table has like checked out and isn't even trying right now, and I don't blame them. however, maf sitting back letting us do whatever? yeah. I'm alive cause I'm trash at reading people, I could be some crazy good pr, but maf would leave me alive cause I'm just that bad.

[Andante]

also, due to barely sleeping last night and having a stressful test today, i will be going ti bed much earlier than planned. however, i will be around more tomorrow because we're moved online for the week, again.

good luck on the test!!!

[Andante]

VOTE: cakez

why is cakez maf?

[Datisi]

hi mena, can you give some Thoughts(tm)

pedit: oh it's over, i've been celebrating most of the day, but thank you!

[Datisi]

re 3387:

- saying that the entirety of my play in this game has been focused only on you is blatantly false.

- and what was the reason you couldn't say that when i asked, instead of going "hehe it's a secret" or just disappearing? like, this is the similar kinda defensive backtrack about your reads that i feel like i've seen before somewhere. like, if you actually thought "ok you're scummy because post x, y, z" why didn't you say it?

- i read your start of day thoughts. they were "maf could be in group 1 or group 2" that essentially said nothing about who is mafia. and saying that you've actually read this game, but still haven't given even a hint of explanation about your progression on me... how is that supposed to make me feel better about your alignment, exactly?

[Menalque]

thoughts might be something of an ask but I can give impressions if that works

I didn't like cakez' very end of day push toward me, but I especially didn't like that his pretty gung-ho "kill mena" seemed to be entirely forgotten today, also that he hasn't actually addressed me or spoken to me since I repped in, and that insofar as his read on me isn't purely based on pooky it seems to be from a v lazy "mena not here therefore mena scum" outdated meta read

other than that I feel pretty floaty?

reads list is something like, uh:

andante, S_S
skitter?
datisi?
mwb
mare?
alyssa
catboi
cakez

[Menalque]

also I have like 20 mins maybe

[Datisi]

same
reasons behind... *spins wheel* impressions on me and midway?

[Menalque]

mwb is like my truest null here, so he gets middle of the pack because I feel p much nothing from anything I've read of his so far

for you, I'm like leaning towards town, partly because I sort of like to think that scum you would still probably want town!me dead quite badly and you haven't been coming for my head despite my being... less than hyper-present, and therefore a relatively soft target. but I guess I'm still paranoid about your scumgame given that I think I townbinned you for ~feeling right~ the last couple of games we played and you snowed me on those occasions. I'm inclined to say that you probably don't pick andante for a fight if you're scum tho, given that she's not an easy push, and the way you're interacting reminds me of you getting frustrated with people and thinking they're scum for not seeing the game in the same way (but again, don't feel super confident on fully townbinning you bc I can't remember how good you are at replicating this when you roll scum)

[Menalque]

actually, now that I see that list S_S should probably be between skitt and andante given that he has also snowed me on various occasions

[Andante]

re 3387:

- saying that the entirety of my play in this game has been focused only on you is blatantly false.

- and what was the reason you couldn't say that when i asked, instead of going "hehe it's a secret" or just disappearing? like, this is the similar kinda defensive backtrack about your reads that i feel like i've seen before somewhere. like, if you actually thought "ok you're scummy because post x, y, z" why didn't you say it?

- i read your start of day thoughts. they were "maf could be in group 1 or group 2" that essentially said nothing about who is mafia. and saying that you've actually read this game, but still haven't given even a hint of explanation about your progression on me... how is that supposed to make me feel better about your alignment, exactly?

- uhhh no hasn't only been on me, I saw you asking someone about what info their vote on you was giving them, then I was like "only dats stuff I can even recall is why did you go from tr to sr to tr? what do you read me as now?" then it got me thinking, but like I'm not even voting you so like, it was just a thought?

- you think I intentionally disappear? I'm still on winter break, hanging with my family before I leave them again for a year, it's not like me not being here is scummy, when I return I say stuff if I missed important stuff. when I'm here I give you plenty of content.

- why am I expected to be more active than I want to be? Like, I don't have it in my head my exact progression on everyone here, I'd have to go read my own ISO and fgure stuff out, and half the time my ISO is full of garbage.


look, I'm not trying to be the most active person here, I don't want to lead town, someone else can. I've failed town way more times them helped lately. and when my top 2 SRs flip town, it's a sign I need to back off cause I'm clearly wrong somewhere. If people just wanted to leave me alone, I'd probably give detailed thoughts on stuff, but if people just wanna 1v1 like this and talk in circles, this is where all my time will go

[Datisi]

i don't even think andante is scum atm i am just heavily annoyed at everything she's been posting today lol

ok valid shit i prob need to relook at cakez again at some point

[Andante]

i don't even think andante is scum atm i am just heavily annoyed at everything she's been posting today lol

WOOOOOO 1v1 over!! best day ever!! Happy to have annoyed you my friend!