CONTROL - GAME OVER!

[The Three Bears]

VOTE: ircher

*kicks back and relaxes without much elaboration or enthusiasm*

StD feels town but different than dance, so I can't lock him.

~Mama

[The Three Bears]

The Roden push, i think it’s good. Counterwagons are always informative, but i’m personally not as convinced that’d flip scum as i am Ircher.
So i’m still arguing the same thing because i don’t see any reason to switch and other wagons suggested so far haven’t been interesting to me.
If anyone disagrees eith me there, that is awesome. But make yourself heard, or i’m just gonna try to run the show. Because i don’t like messing around.

I like this partially. Town but not lock.

[The Three Bears]

nahhhhh bears this Norwegian shit is townposting at its finest but thanksfor playing loooooooooool

Strong read. Almost too strong.

[The Three Bears]

VOTE: Roden

Out of the three wagons, I would vote here. I feel like Ircher has been talked about enough that I don't really think the reasons they're being wolfread are enough for me to join and quite frankly, having our vote be on them would feel rather stale so let's spice it up a little. lol Mastina

I want to see a VC but I don't like this vote.

[The Three Bears]

I'm out today. Noraa can pass me messages. I may have left Noraa instructions for things. I may not have. Noraa can use my name for any reaction test she wishes and I'll correct later if needed. I'd like to see how you treat me when you're not sure if it's me or Noraa. I think Noraa would like that too.

~Mama

Not sure. It depends how Noraa used (or didn't use the ability).

~Mama

Okay and this experiment will give us what exactly? There's already enough fluff and unnecessary confusion in this game.

[The Three Bears]

Bell/Norw/STD/LLD are never scum here.

maybe mush is scum after all. this is such a reach-y read. i dont believe that is all town and i cant imagine mush thinking that. mostly just the word 'never' makes it too extreme.

-babbie bear

We need to sync.

~Mama

[The Three Bears]

They can’t catch up to the game. But just so "happens" to show up immediately when their name is mentioned.

Agreed but wasn't it you who said the Ircher wagon was a stalled scum wagon? If you feel this way, why change?

~Mama

[The Three Bears]

The mod closed the thread too. Do you think they would do that if it was an planned move from scum PT?

I'm not reading into this. I'm looking at LLD's play as a whole. I'm curious which person is playing and if it's the same as Holiday Dance Party.

[NorwegianboyEE]

They can’t catch up to the game. But just so "happens" to show up immediately when their name is mentioned.

Agreed but wasn't it you who said the Ircher wagon was a stalled scum wagon? If you feel this way, why change?

~Mama

Feel more confident with my new vote.
Otherwise i would have stayed.

[NorwegianboyEE]

Voting a scumread -> Voting an scummier scumread.

[The Three Bears]

Three Bears, Mastina and Mush is my block of trusted individuals ATM.
More applications are welcome.

Well, {Bell, StD} for a start are obvious.
{Tet, tictac, Malakittens} are also solid additions.

Plus LLD's basically modslipped conftown, so can be added as well.

I'll do a readslist but I'm not as confident in some reads.

[The Three Bears]

VOTE: MegA

Yeah, ok.

cause this feels like maf

Soft concur.

~Mama

[The Three Bears]

I still SR Arcade more. suspicious posts vs lost Meg? Arcade is maf...

Adante is town.

~Mama

[NorwegianboyEE]

If Andante is town, it will be the first time i’ve seen it.

[Greeting]

I don't mind voting

MegAzumarill

at all, and it seems like a popular thing to say nowadays. Which is interesting, given the fact that either actual reads or meta of this slot are really poor.

But I still think that I hit scum with rather high certainty by voting

T3

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[MUSHSHAGANA]

I had a hugely stressful morning and I don't want to be here right now, so I'm just checking in to ??? about the evaporation of the Ircher wagon. I don't disagree that Meg is scum, but I don't get what's going on really.

I am caught up, but the past two pages are nothing in my brain, just blank spaces. Feels like something happened behind the scenes, too much shifting and not enough reason to that I can see.

Shrike is confident Andante is town. I am not so confident, personally, and am unable to find a reading that brings Andante past null. I suspect Shrike and I will be playing at cross purposes until this is resolved, which is unpleasant.

Also, I have done none of my Greeting homework and have no intentions of catching up today. Too much to do, the game is bouncing off of my brain in its current state, and I feel like hell.

[Cephrir]

i would like andante to give some depth on their reads

[The Three Bears]

Ircher - I don't like I don't have a solid read here. Would be willing to lim for info but don't feel good about it.
MUSH - Tone feels weird. Would eliminate but I'm struggling with a lot of tone.
Lady Lambdadelta - Withholding read until certain.
Bell - Town.
Cephrir - Town
Andante Dwlee99 - Town
NorwegianboyEE - Moderate Town
The Three Bears (Titus, Flea the Magician, Noraa) - Town
Galron - Lean town
Roden - Town
Malakittens - Null
Mastina - Lean Town
Arcade Pals (Dunnstral, MariaR) - Scum
Princess Elodie* - Weak Town
Tet - Moderate to Weak town
MegAzumarill - Would lim but worried
tictac - Moderate town
Toogeloo - Lean scum
T3 - gtmh scum
Save The Dragons - Lean Town
Greeting - gtmh town

~Mama

[SirCakez]

TheWayItEnds replaces Princess Elodie!

[Roden]

We argued sure but I don't think we're on the same wavelength. I don't understand the crux of your argument, or at least I don't understand why you think my behavior comes from scum.

you said a thing, you backtracked on thing, instead of answering points against you, you discredited the argument which is something scum does because they can't argue normally because they come from a place of untruth. you dropped ATE which looks scummy as hell to try and divert suspicion off of you.

The only thing I kind of get is the backtrack/backpedal argument but I don't really agree with it. I don't like the idea that backpedaling is scummy, it would be one thing if I never gave a solid read ever but that wasn't what happened. I gave some shotgun reads a little over 24 hours into the game and even said they weren't solid but wanted to get my starting thoughts out there. But I'm not going to be receptive to adjusting my reads or acknowledging a scum case on me, if the reaction to seeing me go back on a read is to call it backpedaling and tell me I'm scummy for backpedaling. Like, I'm just going to fight it and not even say I'm backpedaling if you're going to frame it as scummy, and it isn't really reasonable to believe I should react differently. I'm just never going say I'm doing "X Act" when someone says "X Act" is scummy, that's just my initial reaction to everything, if not outright arguing against the notion the "X Act" is scummy.

the point was to prove you were backpedalling, i don't really care how you fight it. saying x and y were related and then jumping back is testing the waters as scum and then realizing you made a mistake, that's the way i see it. town doesn't need to backpedal because they tell the truth

Especially since it puts me in a situation where I'm being called scummy for backpedaling but also scummy for not admitting I'm backpedaling.

wrong. all you had to do was explain why you backpedaled. you failed to do that.

I can't really help you with your death tunnel at this point then. I thoroughly explained everything and you're still claiming I explained nothing. You're also accusing me of lying but like...where did I lie? I admit I discredited you but you kind of make it easy when your argument is weak. You're still latched onto something that you know isn't actually alignment indicative, and even when given a response that explains everything I just get "nope you're still scum" from you. Literally zero nuance.

Also you and Ceph both beetlejuicing and attacking me back to back looks sus and organized as fuck. No idea why you're going out of your way to make yourself look as scummy as possible in pushing my mis-elim if you're scum, but if you're both town this death tunnel makes even less sense. So I have no idea what to make of it.

Either way you've been given multiple reasons and explanations for why I'm town, and not just from me but from others as well, and you've just chosen to ignore it to keep calling me scum no matter what is said. If you don't want to honestly engage with me on this then I don't particularly feel guilty engaging with you just as honestly.

[TheWayItEnds]

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[Roden]

@STD and Ceph:

What do you think about Ircher vs Meg?

[Greeting]

VOTE: Galron

I didn't post between 559 and this. What's changed so you're no longer voting me?

@

Roden

[Cephrir]

Also you and Ceph both beetlejuicing and attacking me back to back looks sus and organized as fuck. No idea why you're going out of your way to make yourself look as scummy as possible in pushing my mis-elim if you're scum, but if you're both town this death tunnel makes even less sense. So I have no idea what to make of it.

Either way you've been given multiple reasons and explanations for why I'm town, and not just from me but from others as well, and you've just chosen to ignore it to keep calling me scum no matter what is said. If you don't want to honestly engage with me on this then I don't particularly feel guilty engaging with you just as honestly.

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[Cephrir]

@STD and Ceph:

What do you think about Ircher vs Meg?

I'm not sure there's anything particularly vs. about them.

I'd be deciding between the two of them for my vote if you didn't exist.