open 841: concgratulations to the winners and losers

[Something_Smart]

I mean, are you confident she's maf?

No. Can you answer my question

[Andante]

I think cakez is town tbh, I liked how he gave the names he'd vote when I asked, like idk felt towny to me

You don't think scum-Cakez would keep track of who he wants to vote?

he answered a lot quicker than you, and you were like "haha I wanna vote the tracker claim"

[Something_Smart]

Why is answering fast instead of thinking about it town indicative? Town has to put more thought into it than scum...

[Andante]

Why is answering fast instead of thinking about it town indicative? Town has to put more thought into it than scum...

You really thought about it? I don't see how voting out the tracker claim is ever a good idea here

[Mare]

The same can be said about... pretty much every claim here given the odds of it being town or scum.

VOTE: Cakez

[Alyssa The Lamb]

Interesting...

[Alyssa The Lamb]

This game is starting to feel like it should be easy

[Alyssa The Lamb]

I'll double check later

[Something_Smart]

You really thought about it? I don't see how voting out the tracker claim is ever a good idea here

Yes, I thought about it, because I don't normally view reads in those terms.

Tracker is a middling role, but it's not as useful here because we have some PR flips and no scum flips yet. And, there's the chance of you being a scum JK. I can understand the argument for leaving you alive, but I don't think you having a PR should give you a free pass.

[Andante]

I never said I was asking for a free pass? I’ve been giving my best effort all game, I claim tracker and you and Dats are like “Andante is maf!!!” like I feel like I’ve been towny all game??

[Andante]

tbh i’m probably just more confused than anything as to why I have 2 people here pretty set on voting me, like dats voted because of my tracker claim… yeah idk what’s going on here

[Datisi]

like dats voted because of my tracker claim

...

[Andante]

maybe I should just shut up, see yall sometime tomorrow

[Something_Smart]

I never said I was asking for a free pass?

That's kinda how I'm reading it; you saying it's weird for me to be voting the tracker claim implies that your tracker claim means you shouldn't be voted.

[Andante]

I never said I was asking for a free pass?

That's kinda how I'm reading it; you saying it's weird for me to be voting the tracker claim implies that your tracker claim means you shouldn't be voted.

I mean, I know there's genuine content in my other 400 posts here, unless you want to present some genuine case as to why I'm maf here, yeah it's very odd to be voting the tracker claim. It's 1 think if I had posts like Alyssa/Mena(Pooky) here but I've genuinely been like "yo reads are here, I think X maf cause this" it's literally not my fault people choose to ignore my actual solving, and instead go "ewww why are you team reading. that's a bad way to play" yet not even engage with my reads like "I think you're off on this part, I tr this" so I'm doing what I can with what I'm being given, meanwhile half the table is just coasting/not here

[Something_Smart]

I feel like I explained myself reasonably well in 3640. If you have any specific questions, I'm happy to answer them.

[Andante]

Like ALL of your game has been "must. tunnel. top of draft" why is that like a top thing to worry about?? if I had known this was such a huge deal I'd have just chosen some stupid large number to be VT, it's literally not like I even wanted to be a pr, cause of all this. I picked tracker so there was minimal work. track a sr. easy. yet now it's all like "OMG SHE'S MAF JAILKEEP!" like what? no. Does no post I've even made thus far mean anything?? I've been genuinely trying to find maf, it's a tad hard when you have stuff like "top of draft must be maf!!" and well, I know my logic is a pain to follow at times/hella confusing, but I'm trying, and so to me that's all that matters.

Like, at least my entire ISO isn't spent talking about draft order....

also it just hit me that Andante is top in the draft. That's another reason to scumread her, I guess.

There's a pretty clear correlation between being high in the draft and being scum in PYP games.

The reasons I can think of are (a) scum are less likely to collide in general because they will avoid colliding with each other, (b) based on (a) they are more likely to go for low numbers because it's safer, and (c) they are likely to put more calculation and thought into the draft than town.

You're just jealous cause you were bottom of the draft

I literally spent the entirety of the last PYP game I played correctly calling the top drafter scum

pretty sure this time the top drafter isn't

maybe not, but one of the high drafters probably is.

Spoiler:

Ydrasse.

o/

I think this does lessen my townread somewhat, exactly because of what happened to her last time she was high in the draft.

I'm not a good neighbor target, in all seriousness. I don't sort much in hoods, and I'm low on the draft so not likely to have PR info, and I would smoke her ass at chess (Faker has seen my lichess profile and can confirm this).

and what is that?

Based on my data no scum has landed 3rd in the draft with a number lower than 8, in fact they have been pretty consistently high (8, 9, 10, 11). If this sounds like a bullshit statistical coincidence, that's because it is, but I think the logic makes at least a tiny amount of sense because based on the data when scum go for a medium-low number they often also go for a lower which might collide, but it if it does, the medium-low number is likely to score a very good place in the draft (higher than 3rd).

Look, I warned you that it was dumb.

why would I fear death?

why would the top draft spot be afraid of getting NK'd? Gee, I don't know...

okay, *why*

Top draft is decently correlated with being scum, her play has done nothing to shake me off of that, scum presumably made two kills and neither was aimed at the top 3 (which I believe is fairly rare? might be worth checking the stats there), she's been playing up how she is a known PR and how much that matters and then she claims under basically zero pressure with zero info, her reaction to the double kill was pretty awkward and may have betrayed knowledge that it was a scum vig, and now she's shading me off of Mena associatives rather than push me directly which may be to avoid OMGUS accusations.

[Andante]

could've put those quotes in spoilers, but mehhh don't really care right now, like, is it bad I could see SS being town like this? idk hopefully I'm dead before I have to deal with sorting him

[Something_Smart]

Did you just search my 181-post ISO for the word "draft" and find 9 examples to prove that I do nothing but talk about the draft

[Andante]

Did you just search my 181-post ISO for the word "draft" and find 9 examples to prove that I do nothing but talk about the draft

ye. I tried top, but that was a no go, too many, went for draft instead, tbh all I even remember from you this game for why I've been maf all game has been cause I'm top of draft

[Something_Smart]

I linked my post explaining it and you literally just quoted it. 3640.

[Alyssa The Lamb]

Something_Smart
Datisi
skitter30
SirCakez
Sleepless Assassin
Andante
innocentvillager
catboi
Alyssa The Lamb flow trap
northsidegal
Mare
Menalque PookyTheMagicalBear
midwaybear
Faker

[Andante]

okay, *why*

Top draft is decently correlated with being scum, her play has done nothing to shake me off of that, scum presumably made two kills and neither was aimed at the top 3 (which I believe is fairly rare? might be worth checking the stats there), she's been playing up how she is a known PR and how much that matters and then she claims under basically zero pressure with zero info, her reaction to the double kill was pretty awkward and may have betrayed knowledge that it was a scum vig, and now she's shading me off of Mena associatives rather than push me directly which may be to avoid OMGUS accusations.

yeah what about it? I thought it was funny I was a known pr? it's why I was claiming bp on day 1 lol like I'm not really sure what I'm supposed to say to this, like, not taking into acount anything serious I've said? ok, and? Don't like posts I thought were funny/was having fun? ok.. shading you off mena? I mean, I don't exactly tr you, nothing you've done couldn't be easily replicated by scum! you, like idk, I also don't sr you enough to tunnel you yet, but you're definitely a lot different from the fish game so mehh, and I can definitely see town you being like you are I guess? idk, I'm not sorting you now, and I mean, ideally we're trying to solve for a scum here, not this back and forth whatever

[Alyssa The Lamb]

Something_Smart

Datisi
skitter30

SirCakez

Sleepless Assassin
Andante
innocentvillager

catboi

Alyssa The Lamb flow trap
northsidegal
Mare

Menalque PookyTheMagicalBear
midwaybear

Faker

This feels like a comfy solve

[midwaybear]

Rethinking my read on you

When did this start?