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SirCakez

(3): jjh927, mastina, Suripoko

Suripoko

(3): SirCakez, That Idiot Ivan, Rogue

StrangeMatter

(1): The Bombay

Not Voting

(4): Shiro, T3, StrangeMatter, Lady Lambdadelta

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[jjh927]

Well, since it's pretty much out there

It would be greatly appreciated if everyone who currently possesses a box would make that clear, or otherwise explicitly claim they do not have one

I know how many are out there

[T3]

T3, were you the other chess player?

I don't know why I am doing so poorly at this this game.

no.

[The Bombay]

Bom were you told that you were roleblocked or you assumed? Out of curiosity.

The mods told me that our ability failed. Being roleblocked is the simplest explanation.

[The Bombay]

Also, I use the gender pronouns are They

Apologies.

I am not sure how I managed to do it correctly in one post then, turn around and do it wrong in the next.

I'll try harder.

[The Bombay]

T3, were you the other chess player?

I don't know why I am doing so poorly at this this game.

no.

So you were not a chess player. And you were also not the player who created the game, since it came from Dwlee.

Yet you somehow knew the rules of the chess game, and also were informed when a win condition of the chess game was achieved?

I'm going to need more then that.

[The Bombay]

My first guess from your all bolded post was that your role made the game, but you were not a player. Like you were a referee to the game, but that is not the case.

My second guess once Dwlee flipped was that you were the other player in the game, but you are claiming that is not the case either.

[Lukewarm]

I think it would make sense for us to all claim if we were the other chess player or not

We were not a chess player.

[The Bombay]

I think it would make sense for us to all claim if we were the other chess player or not

We were not a chess player.

[jjh927]

I don't think that does make sense

The ability Dwlee flipped with was quite powerful and if the other side of the game had anything similar then they might have a result of some kind they shouldn't be pressured to reveal

[jjh927]

What would you do if everyone said no? Elim T3 as the most likely liar? Because that means in the scenario of T3 town with mystery scum chess player, said mystery scum chess player has every incentive to just say no

[SirCakez]

Dwlee99 (5): Lady Lambdadelta, T3, mastina, SirCakez, Shiro

@pooky can I get your read on me. It sounded like you wanted to hammer me

You can't blame people on a wagon for not knowing that someone was going to quickhammer too early. That's ridiculous.

Good meme but no
This is like when I posted my first serious vote in that game with StrangeMatter, was gone for 24 hours then came back and it was hammered and then later days people tried to blame me even though it was obviously not my intention to push the wagon through so early.

[SirCakez]

Suspecting there’s likely one (two has potential but not as likely) of {Rogue, SirCakez, That Idiot Ivan} as said above. I want to look more into these right now, though continuing on a conversation about this is pointless and a waste of time.

I ISOed you and don't see you talk about scum in this pool at all - what are you referring to from "above"?

[SirCakez]

It felt to me like she returned to the thread, wanted to post, but did not want to disrupt the dwlee wagon. Also, that she also did not want to join it.

also this is a good point I didn't even notice how old that Ivan post was, that's like from RVS

[SirCakez]

I don't have a box and I wasn't the other chess player

[StrangeMatter]

Suspecting there’s likely one (two has potential but not as likely) of {Rogue, SirCakez, That Idiot Ivan} as said above. I want to look more into these right now, though continuing on a conversation about this is pointless and a waste of time.

I ISOed you and don't see you talk about scum in this pool at all - what are you referring to from "above"?

I somewhat mentioned this indirectly in the exact same page.

[The Bombay]

Maybe the chess claim thing is pointless.

VOTE: t3

I find it hard to picture Dwlee playing against a town player given his reward for winning. I cannot picture the mods punishing a player for trying to win the chess game they were placed into, and "since you won, the town cop does not get to fire" seems pretty bad for town - even if they got something else as a reward. But obviously, this would be a prize for scum.

I feel like T3 is either lying about being a player, or he got his information second hand from a scum buddy who was the other player.

It does not make sense to me that T3 would know the rules to the game, and have the mods inform him that a win condition to the game had been met if one of those two things were not true.

[jjh927]

Actually I would interpret that in the exact opposite way

[jjh927]

Having a system where 50% of the time town get a cop, and 50% of the time scum get a PR of some kind is an extremely high level of swing

[jjh927]

The little swing option is 50% town gets a cop, 50% a different town gets a different similarly powerful ability

[The Bombay]

I don't think that scum would get a pr if they won. I was saying that their reward was strictly stopping Dwlee.

[jjh927]

I think if that was the case it wouldn't be a specific designated scumteam member

[jjh927]

This is purely me talking game design nonsense here, of course, but I would consider a scenario where playing a side in the chess match was functionally factional, else eliminating a specific member of the scumteam would cause an ability of a town player that is already limited to 50% use to cease functioning

[jjh927]

There is definitely a mod meta element given the role I gave Cabd in isekai upick as an extra variable to consider

[The Bombay]

That seems irrelevant to the discussion to be honest with you.

Looking back at Dwlee's ability, this is all it says about the outcome of the game : "If you are the winner, you will be able to use your night ability that night."

There is no indication that the opponent gets anything. There is also nothing about his games stopping if an unspecified player, in other words, his opponent, were to die.

So I don't buy that his opponent had a role that was predicated on Dwlee being alive. Which would be the implication of your worry that the other player would out a powerful ability combined with the fact that the game shave stopped.

Pedit: the irrelevant part referring to the scum team possibly playing as a team.