open 841: concgratulations to the winners and losers

[midwaybear]

The funny part is I think it's very likely I was between maf and IV last night. Good thing I picked IV XD

Who was your other option?

[skitter30]

okay, *why*

Top draft is decently correlated with being scum, her play has done nothing to shake me off of that, scum presumably made two kills and neither was aimed at the top 3 (which I believe is fairly rare? might be worth checking the stats there), she's been playing up how she is a known PR and how much that matters and then she claims under basically zero pressure with zero info, her reaction to the double kill was pretty awkward and may have betrayed knowledge that it was a scum vig, and now she's shading me off of Mena associatives rather than push me directly which may be to avoid OMGUS accusations.

I guess my commets:
- i dont think she picks tracker as scum at all, and in general i think picking that bracket as scum is unlikely
- i can see scum trying to remove ~thread presence~ as i write this out i realize this probably points to a confident scum team
- playinf up the known pr thing: not sure scum-her does that tbh; i think she's a lot more timid as scum and i dont think this entire episode unfolds this way if she's scum
- shading wrt mena associatives i think is just how she thinks, dont think its scum indicative

[skitter30]

Something_Smart

Datisi
skitter30

SirCakez

Sleepless Assassin
Andante
innocentvillager

catboi

Alyssa The Lamb flow trap
northsidegal
Mare

Menalque PookyTheMagicalBear
midwaybear

Faker

This feels like a comfy solve

Why is nsg town?

[Datisi]

i think picking that bracket as scum is unlikely

??? didn't scum that was first in draft pick in that bracket last time you played pyp?

or do you mean andante!scum is unlikely to pick in that bracket?

[Alyssa The Lamb]

I've generally liked her contributions when I saw them

It's not entirely locked until I've had a chance to interact with her directly though

[Datisi]

what of my interactions made you green me? you didn't even know i was playing until recently

[Alyssa The Lamb]

You seem natural enough when you do talk

[Datisi]

should i be worried about that read seeming much easier than what you usually give me?

[Alyssa The Lamb]

Not really, I have a lot less to work with than other games

[Alyssa The Lamb]

And as I stated before, finding a confident gamestate read is hard without a midway read

[skitter30]

i think picking that bracket as scum is unlikely

??? didn't scum that was first in draft pick in that bracket last time you played pyp?

or do you mean andante!scum is unlikely to pick in that bracket?

I dont think i played it before in this setup? I feel like scum tries to takw away the strong town roles, no?

[skitter30]

I've generally liked her contributions when I saw them

It's not entirely locked until I've had a chance to interact with her directly though

Can you point to a few that you liked plz?

[Datisi]

i think picking that bracket as scum is unlikely

??? didn't scum that was first in draft pick in that bracket last time you played pyp?

or do you mean andante!scum is unlikely to pick in that bracket?

I dont think i played it before in this setup? I feel like scum tries to takw away the strong town roles, no?

not this exact setup, but i thought it was close enough to compare - didn't lilith pick jk as scum first in draft in the game ducky modded?

[skitter30]

Oh good point actually
Well now she's locked into tracker and if there are mysterious rb's going around we know who to look at

[skitter30]

At the very least i dont think its scum indicative that she picked it

[Alyssa The Lamb]

Sleepless is trying right now and I don't see any scum motivation in shooting down alternate wagon suggestions; meanwhile flow has done jack shit so I think the choice for me is pretty clear

the scum motivation in being against people currently on your counterwagon exiting your counterwagon to split votes and leave you as the largest wagon seems clear.

i think that it may be a bit of a stretch (or at least i would need some kind of evidence) to say that flow trap's complete absence is indicative one way or the other.

i feel like scum don't have to try very hard to manipulate the votes such that it ends on town given how clueless some of us are with how little time there is left.

hm, wouldn't you think that scum would have either already done that if they easily had the capability to, or we were never going to hit scum at all and so they don't need to?

in other words, i don't think that a town elimination is inevitable unless the major wagons {flow, sleepless, midway} are all town. does that make sense and is it clear how i'm disagreeing with what you said? maybe it's not super important

Northsidegal did you have any thoughts on this?

Anyway Faker I'm not seeing whatever you're seeing in regard to the northside interactions from sleepless sorry to disappoint yet again

tl;dr: IMO noticeably more worried about northsidegal reading him correctly than utilizing her reads, has mostly thrown in towel on swaying her and iirc had virtually given up on that front. Doesn't leverage her read on flow trap at all and completely ignores it. Pair w/ Sleepless thinking she had knowledge of main at start, likely targeted interactions+selective ignorance.

Very rushed outline, no longer have time to read and will not before deadline. Absolute comedy of errors atm requiring borrowing items from 5 different people/entities, community effort interview, still have to do a bunch of research/prep and it is shortly after deadline.

yeah so i mean i pretty much entirely ignored / didn't respond to his whole section directed towards me in his big post and he seems to mostly have just not brought it up at all, which i think sort of plays into what you're getting at here. i think that our only real interactions since then have been when he's responded to my disagreeing with people townreading him, but that's all been responsive rather than any sort of affirmative argument from him to me as to why i should be townreading him. i don't think that's super scummy, to be clear, but it does play into a broader narrative – like i mentioned, i think the more salient point is how much i (unintentionally really, but still) ignored what he said to me in his big post and how it never really got brought up again.

arguably this is a factor of him never being caught up but in that big post the first thing he says to me is "we're gonna have to do some real time interaction" which is possible without being caught up. arguably he just decided that it wasn't worth it when i came back and immediately voted him, but still.

why? ill be around to hammer if needed

i don't trust that you'll hammer sleepless, i consider it a quite likely possibility that you hold out for more votes on flow and then the ball is in the sleepless voter's court (so to speak) for them to switch and get a hammer on flow

if i were truly committed to one wagon going through over the other (or if i were scum) i might do something like that

[northsidegal]

sorry for the absence, reviewing time

[skitter30]

nsg!

[Andante]

sorry for the absence, reviewing time

what did you learn from your review?

[Andante]

I've been thinking about something, I think mare is maf here

[Andante]

I town.

I town.

Like, I don't recall much actually from mare, and since I learned who she is, I don't tr the self vote thing where she got mad selfed, and that was that. everyone called her town for it, uhhh I don't think she's actually done much this game

[Andante]

It feels physically impossible to care about this game for some reason and also I forgot to neighborize someone so I’m in anti-fun mode.

like, town or maf, I'd believe this was true, half the time when I'm maf I'll forget to do a night action, it's usually on my partners to submit whatever, idk if it's a common thing, like, I forget as maf, never as town, town is like, I instantly send something in

[Andante]

I'm probably gonna get roasted for something said, but like, I do think mare is maf, partners? I couldn't tell you right now, I'm drunk, and for some reason thought it'd be a good idea to give some honest thoughts here, like, it's not that Mare has done nothing, it's like, I feel like there's minimal actual content there, lots of fluffy posts, pushing cakez cause lols? like that's the most game related I could really find. I think I wanna look outside those who have been pretty active lately, like, it's much easier for maf to hide in the shadows. Again, the 2 most active people died, something tells me at least 2/3 of these maf prefer silence

[skitter30]

I think i'm townreading scum

[Alyssa The Lamb]

I think i'm townreading scum

What's the thought process that got you here