Mini 2254 | Subreddit uPick | Fin


Forum rules
User avatar
T3
T3
He/him
Jack of All Trades
User avatar
User avatar
T3
He/him
Jack of All Trades
Jack of All Trades
Posts: 9478
Joined: February 19, 2021
Pronoun: He/him

Post Post #825 (ISO) » Wed Jan 12, 2022 8:28 am

Post by T3 »

i am town.
bombay is null town
extremely fatigued and sick from booster shot so this post is halfbaked and i may change my mind later on bombay
Large Normal 241 is currently in play. PM me if you want to spectate or replace in!

https://www.mafiauniverse.com/forums/threads/37202 is in signups.
User avatar
That Idiot Ivan
That Idiot Ivan
Goon
User avatar
User avatar
That Idiot Ivan
Goon
Goon
Posts: 158
Joined: December 7, 2021

Post Post #826 (ISO) » Wed Jan 12, 2022 8:29 am

Post by That Idiot Ivan »

Fuck it, let's see what this does.

My role allowed a neighborhood to form with two other players last night that persists into today. By foregoing posting there until night ended, I was able to get a parity cop result on the other two players. LLD and Shiro share an alignment.

They were informed when the neighborhood formed that someone could be reading along. That someone was me. Based on the interactions and information shared over night phase and so far this day phase, they're very likely both town rather than both scum. I can elaborate later, but I think I'd like to let the thread marinate in this situation first.
User avatar
Lady Lambdadelta
Lady Lambdadelta
She/Faer
Rise of the Phoenix
User avatar
User avatar
Lady Lambdadelta
She/Faer
Rise of the Phoenix
Rise of the Phoenix
Posts: 20874
Joined: August 31, 2010
Pronoun: She/Faer
Location: formerly in a Rage

Post Post #827 (ISO) » Wed Jan 12, 2022 8:30 am

Post by Lady Lambdadelta »

In post 826, That Idiot Ivan wrote:Fuck it, let's see what this does.

My role allowed a neighborhood to form with two other players last night that persists into today. By foregoing posting there until night ended, I was able to get a parity cop result on the other two players. LLD and Shiro share an alignment.

They were informed when the neighborhood formed that someone could be reading along. That someone was me. Based on the interactions and information shared over night phase and so far this day phase, they're very likely both town rather than both scum. I can elaborate later, but I think I'd like to let the thread marinate in this situation first.
Tadah~
Yes my Lord, but questions are dangerous, for they have answers.

11 heads and counting now, plurality is adaptive. If our experience might help you, click here.
If you wish to speak to one of us, we are Niamh, Rhiannon, Rhea, Aisling, Saoirse, Selene, Aoife, Fírinne, Aurélie, Lyra and Airna.
Soar on wings of retribution and set the world ablaze
User avatar
Lady Lambdadelta
Lady Lambdadelta
She/Faer
Rise of the Phoenix
User avatar
User avatar
Lady Lambdadelta
She/Faer
Rise of the Phoenix
Rise of the Phoenix
Posts: 20874
Joined: August 31, 2010
Pronoun: She/Faer
Location: formerly in a Rage

Post Post #828 (ISO) » Wed Jan 12, 2022 8:31 am

Post by Lady Lambdadelta »

Build your own masonry, what a power.

Parity cops are so busted, lol.
Yes my Lord, but questions are dangerous, for they have answers.

11 heads and counting now, plurality is adaptive. If our experience might help you, click here.
If you wish to speak to one of us, we are Niamh, Rhiannon, Rhea, Aisling, Saoirse, Selene, Aoife, Fírinne, Aurélie, Lyra and Airna.
Soar on wings of retribution and set the world ablaze
User avatar
jjh927
jjh927
Survivor
User avatar
User avatar
jjh927
Survivor
Survivor
Posts: 10793
Joined: April 16, 2017

Post Post #829 (ISO) » Wed Jan 12, 2022 8:34 am

Post by jjh927 »

That makes things extremely simple

However, would have been better if you shared that in your PT and kept it quiet with the intention of maximising the lifespan of a conftown lld
"As best I can tell, jjh is some kind of wizard with mind control powers." -Jingle
User avatar
Lady Lambdadelta
Lady Lambdadelta
She/Faer
Rise of the Phoenix
User avatar
User avatar
Lady Lambdadelta
She/Faer
Rise of the Phoenix
Rise of the Phoenix
Posts: 20874
Joined: August 31, 2010
Pronoun: She/Faer
Location: formerly in a Rage

Post Post #830 (ISO) » Wed Jan 12, 2022 8:37 am

Post by Lady Lambdadelta »

In post 829, jjh927 wrote:That makes things extremely simple

However, would have been better if you shared that in your PT and kept it quiet with the intention of maximising the lifespan of a conftown lld
We actually did that to begin. The 3 of us have been talking about the game state for a few days now.

But I felt the thread was starting to go into chaos, and I told Ivan we needed to claim and retake control.

I think the scumteam right now is Suripoko/Mastina/Bombay.
Yes my Lord, but questions are dangerous, for they have answers.

11 heads and counting now, plurality is adaptive. If our experience might help you, click here.
If you wish to speak to one of us, we are Niamh, Rhiannon, Rhea, Aisling, Saoirse, Selene, Aoife, Fírinne, Aurélie, Lyra and Airna.
Soar on wings of retribution and set the world ablaze
User avatar
Lady Lambdadelta
Lady Lambdadelta
She/Faer
Rise of the Phoenix
User avatar
User avatar
Lady Lambdadelta
She/Faer
Rise of the Phoenix
Rise of the Phoenix
Posts: 20874
Joined: August 31, 2010
Pronoun: She/Faer
Location: formerly in a Rage

Post Post #831 (ISO) » Wed Jan 12, 2022 8:38 am

Post by Lady Lambdadelta »

Besides I suspect you've got me for 2 days at least. Scum have gotta kill Ivan to prevent more parity cop results so.
Yes my Lord, but questions are dangerous, for they have answers.

11 heads and counting now, plurality is adaptive. If our experience might help you, click here.
If you wish to speak to one of us, we are Niamh, Rhiannon, Rhea, Aisling, Saoirse, Selene, Aoife, Fírinne, Aurélie, Lyra and Airna.
Soar on wings of retribution and set the world ablaze
User avatar
Lady Lambdadelta
Lady Lambdadelta
She/Faer
Rise of the Phoenix
User avatar
User avatar
Lady Lambdadelta
She/Faer
Rise of the Phoenix
Rise of the Phoenix
Posts: 20874
Joined: August 31, 2010
Pronoun: She/Faer
Location: formerly in a Rage

Post Post #832 (ISO) » Wed Jan 12, 2022 8:39 am

Post by Lady Lambdadelta »

We also weighed claiming masons to hide the role, but we figured some players might have some "LLD claims masons" trauma involved and so we figured the real claim was required, if any claim was done.

And personally, as much as letting Ivan get results makes me happy, thread control wins games for town, not just results. So.
Yes my Lord, but questions are dangerous, for they have answers.

11 heads and counting now, plurality is adaptive. If our experience might help you, click here.
If you wish to speak to one of us, we are Niamh, Rhiannon, Rhea, Aisling, Saoirse, Selene, Aoife, Fírinne, Aurélie, Lyra and Airna.
Soar on wings of retribution and set the world ablaze
User avatar
jjh927
jjh927
Survivor
User avatar
User avatar
jjh927
Survivor
Survivor
Posts: 10793
Joined: April 16, 2017

Post Post #833 (ISO) » Wed Jan 12, 2022 8:44 am

Post by jjh927 »

Scum are pretty likely to have a roleblocker
"As best I can tell, jjh is some kind of wizard with mind control powers." -Jingle
User avatar
jjh927
jjh927
Survivor
User avatar
User avatar
jjh927
Survivor
Survivor
Posts: 10793
Joined: April 16, 2017

Post Post #834 (ISO) » Wed Jan 12, 2022 8:45 am

Post by jjh927 »

Well, I guess you're saying bombay is scum now
"As best I can tell, jjh is some kind of wizard with mind control powers." -Jingle
User avatar
jjh927
jjh927
Survivor
User avatar
User avatar
jjh927
Survivor
Survivor
Posts: 10793
Joined: April 16, 2017

Post Post #835 (ISO) » Wed Jan 12, 2022 8:45 am

Post by jjh927 »

I am still inclined to disagree regarding mastina and bombay scum though
"As best I can tell, jjh is some kind of wizard with mind control powers." -Jingle
User avatar
Lady Lambdadelta
Lady Lambdadelta
She/Faer
Rise of the Phoenix
User avatar
User avatar
Lady Lambdadelta
She/Faer
Rise of the Phoenix
Rise of the Phoenix
Posts: 20874
Joined: August 31, 2010
Pronoun: She/Faer
Location: formerly in a Rage

Post Post #836 (ISO) » Wed Jan 12, 2022 8:46 am

Post by Lady Lambdadelta »

In post 834, jjh927 wrote:Well, I guess you're saying bombay is scum now
Aye.
Yes my Lord, but questions are dangerous, for they have answers.

11 heads and counting now, plurality is adaptive. If our experience might help you, click here.
If you wish to speak to one of us, we are Niamh, Rhiannon, Rhea, Aisling, Saoirse, Selene, Aoife, Fírinne, Aurélie, Lyra and Airna.
Soar on wings of retribution and set the world ablaze
User avatar
jjh927
jjh927
Survivor
User avatar
User avatar
jjh927
Survivor
Survivor
Posts: 10793
Joined: April 16, 2017

Post Post #837 (ISO) » Wed Jan 12, 2022 8:47 am

Post by jjh927 »

I'm gonna refrain from pointing out the obvious thing in case it's not as obvious as I think but you should know that I think it is obvious
"As best I can tell, jjh is some kind of wizard with mind control powers." -Jingle
User avatar
That Idiot Ivan
That Idiot Ivan
Goon
User avatar
User avatar
That Idiot Ivan
Goon
Goon
Posts: 158
Joined: December 7, 2021

Post Post #838 (ISO) » Wed Jan 12, 2022 8:48 am

Post by That Idiot Ivan »

I'm not worried about being blocked given the way my role works.
User avatar
Lady Lambdadelta
Lady Lambdadelta
She/Faer
Rise of the Phoenix
User avatar
User avatar
Lady Lambdadelta
She/Faer
Rise of the Phoenix
Rise of the Phoenix
Posts: 20874
Joined: August 31, 2010
Pronoun: She/Faer
Location: formerly in a Rage

Post Post #839 (ISO) » Wed Jan 12, 2022 8:51 am

Post by Lady Lambdadelta »

In post 837, jjh927 wrote:I'm gonna refrain from pointing out the obvious thing in case it's not as obvious as I think but you should know that I think it is obvious
I've got no idea what you're referring to.
Yes my Lord, but questions are dangerous, for they have answers.

11 heads and counting now, plurality is adaptive. If our experience might help you, click here.
If you wish to speak to one of us, we are Niamh, Rhiannon, Rhea, Aisling, Saoirse, Selene, Aoife, Fírinne, Aurélie, Lyra and Airna.
Soar on wings of retribution and set the world ablaze
User avatar
jjh927
jjh927
Survivor
User avatar
User avatar
jjh927
Survivor
Survivor
Posts: 10793
Joined: April 16, 2017

Post Post #840 (ISO) » Wed Jan 12, 2022 8:54 am

Post by jjh927 »

Then I'll say no more and refer back to it later if it becomes relevant
"As best I can tell, jjh is some kind of wizard with mind control powers." -Jingle
User avatar
jjh927
jjh927
Survivor
User avatar
User avatar
jjh927
Survivor
Survivor
Posts: 10793
Joined: April 16, 2017

Post Post #841 (ISO) » Wed Jan 12, 2022 8:59 am

Post by jjh927 »

If we bring this back to reads I'd be most interested to hear why you think Bombay is scum
"As best I can tell, jjh is some kind of wizard with mind control powers." -Jingle
User avatar
The Bombay
The Bombay
Goon
User avatar
User avatar
The Bombay
Goon
Goon
Posts: 368
Joined: December 10, 2021

Post Post #842 (ISO) » Wed Jan 12, 2022 9:03 am

Post by The Bombay »

In post 817, The Bombay wrote:
In post 812, That Idiot Ivan wrote:Bombay, what's your read on Shiro?
I don't have one. I don't remember if Marci gave one in our chat either. If she did, it was not one that she talked much about.
When I gave reads last night I left three of them blank, but you've already figured out one of them based off of my stuff before the list.
Shiro was one of the blanks, I had no read of them, considering how they've played in the recently ended holiday dance game, I think inactive is a large part of their playstyle.
In post 818, jjh927 wrote:At any rate, I really don't think the accuracy of reads after a 72 hour day would be a major nk consideration. I am pretty sure it was always gonna be skitter
Of course I knew that, but scum don't just kill someone for no reason which is why I wanted to do it anyways and leave it there and talk a bit about it.
I mentioned the possibility that it could've just been scum trying to make Lady Lambdadelta look bad, but I'm not really all too confident with making a conclusion from just that, so I had other reasons I haven't told Luke yet that I built the read on as well.
In post 819, Lady Lambdadelta wrote:Luke Luke Luke

Are you scum, bud? Was this the plan, to use Skitter's misread of me to weaken confidence in me and claim thread control?

Because this thread is a mess. A complete mess of chaos and scum influence, and I'm honestly kind of curious how you decided that this train of logic was remotely reasonable.
Why blame Luke for it, when that read was mine? It does read like this is omgus unfortunately.
In post 826, That Idiot Ivan wrote:My role allowed a neighborhood to form with two other players last night that persists into today. By foregoing posting there until night ended, I was able to get a parity cop result on the other two players. LLD and Shiro share an alignment.

They were informed when the neighborhood formed that someone could be reading along.
That someone was me. Based on the interactions and information shared over night phase and so far this day phase, they're very likely both town rather than both scum. I can elaborate later, but I think I'd like to let the thread marinate in this situation first.
I think my one problem with this is... they were informed somebody could be reading along, so if they were scum wouldn't they be on their best behavior?

I might be wrong here, but then that'll completely kill my will to play.
User avatar
jjh927
jjh927
Survivor
User avatar
User avatar
jjh927
Survivor
Survivor
Posts: 10793
Joined: April 16, 2017

Post Post #843 (ISO) » Wed Jan 12, 2022 9:05 am

Post by jjh927 »

2 scum is clearly the least likely outcome with parity cop
"As best I can tell, jjh is some kind of wizard with mind control powers." -Jingle
User avatar
Lady Lambdadelta
Lady Lambdadelta
She/Faer
Rise of the Phoenix
User avatar
User avatar
Lady Lambdadelta
She/Faer
Rise of the Phoenix
Rise of the Phoenix
Posts: 20874
Joined: August 31, 2010
Pronoun: She/Faer
Location: formerly in a Rage

Post Post #844 (ISO) » Wed Jan 12, 2022 9:07 am

Post by Lady Lambdadelta »

Marci!

I'm confirmed town. You're gonna need to look elsewhere.
Yes my Lord, but questions are dangerous, for they have answers.

11 heads and counting now, plurality is adaptive. If our experience might help you, click here.
If you wish to speak to one of us, we are Niamh, Rhiannon, Rhea, Aisling, Saoirse, Selene, Aoife, Fírinne, Aurélie, Lyra and Airna.
Soar on wings of retribution and set the world ablaze
User avatar
jjh927
jjh927
Survivor
User avatar
User avatar
jjh927
Survivor
Survivor
Posts: 10793
Joined: April 16, 2017

Post Post #845 (ISO) » Wed Jan 12, 2022 9:11 am

Post by jjh927 »

Assume parity cop is town
Assume we have 3 scum
1 town dead due to mislim
odds of picking 2 scum are (3/11)*(2/10) if you pick randomly, which comes out at 5.5% of the time time

Operating purely on chance, "same alignment" from a parity cop in these conditions will be both town 94.5% of the time, increasing if there are fewer scum in the game
"As best I can tell, jjh is some kind of wizard with mind control powers." -Jingle
User avatar
Lady Lambdadelta
Lady Lambdadelta
She/Faer
Rise of the Phoenix
User avatar
User avatar
Lady Lambdadelta
She/Faer
Rise of the Phoenix
Rise of the Phoenix
Posts: 20874
Joined: August 31, 2010
Pronoun: She/Faer
Location: formerly in a Rage

Post Post #846 (ISO) » Wed Jan 12, 2022 9:11 am

Post by Lady Lambdadelta »

At this point, your only play would be to say that Ivan Shiro and I are all 3 of us scum together, and then you need to question why for the love of everything we'd bother claiming like this to begin with.

I'm confirmed town and you're in trouble, so you should probably start hunting for other scum and showing me how blessedly townie you are if you'd like to live.
Yes my Lord, but questions are dangerous, for they have answers.

11 heads and counting now, plurality is adaptive. If our experience might help you, click here.
If you wish to speak to one of us, we are Niamh, Rhiannon, Rhea, Aisling, Saoirse, Selene, Aoife, Fírinne, Aurélie, Lyra and Airna.
Soar on wings of retribution and set the world ablaze
User avatar
The Bombay
The Bombay
Goon
User avatar
User avatar
The Bombay
Goon
Goon
Posts: 368
Joined: December 10, 2021

Post Post #847 (ISO) » Wed Jan 12, 2022 9:12 am

Post by The Bombay »

Wait..
I think I'm understanding stuff wrong.

But then that makes town super stacked with investigatives I think, is that why scum has a roleblocker?
User avatar
Lady Lambdadelta
Lady Lambdadelta
She/Faer
Rise of the Phoenix
User avatar
User avatar
Lady Lambdadelta
She/Faer
Rise of the Phoenix
Rise of the Phoenix
Posts: 20874
Joined: August 31, 2010
Pronoun: She/Faer
Location: formerly in a Rage

Post Post #848 (ISO) » Wed Jan 12, 2022 9:12 am

Post by Lady Lambdadelta »

In post 845, jjh927 wrote:Assume parity cop is town
Assume we have 3 scum
1 town dead due to mislim
odds of picking 2 scum are (3/11)*(2/10) if you pick randomly, which comes out at 5.5% of the time time

Operating purely on chance, "same alignment" from a parity cop in these conditions will be both town 94.5% of the time, increasing if there are fewer scum in the game
The point is there's more info in the QT that increases it from a chance to confirmed.

For me, it's possible Shiro and Ivan set up a gambit for me but again, some of us will be shot dead by time that will matter for me. It's simple, really.
Yes my Lord, but questions are dangerous, for they have answers.

11 heads and counting now, plurality is adaptive. If our experience might help you, click here.
If you wish to speak to one of us, we are Niamh, Rhiannon, Rhea, Aisling, Saoirse, Selene, Aoife, Fírinne, Aurélie, Lyra and Airna.
Soar on wings of retribution and set the world ablaze
User avatar
jjh927
jjh927
Survivor
User avatar
User avatar
jjh927
Survivor
Survivor
Posts: 10793
Joined: April 16, 2017

Post Post #849 (ISO) » Wed Jan 12, 2022 9:13 am

Post by jjh927 »

Parity cop is an absolutely stacked role

For obvious™ reasons I don't think we should discuss the setup spec around this though
"As best I can tell, jjh is some kind of wizard with mind control powers." -Jingle
Locked