CONTROL - GAME OVER!

[Save The Dragons]

Also I dont really like how suddenly this goes from norwe town to scum after just one post indicating he won't be an ally

where does grendel indicate he thinks norwee is town

[Cephrir]

Emotional reads are based on word flow and selection as well as tone. Frustrated peeps will use harder words, anger players use shorter words - just as a couple examples.

I think this can depend on the person

For example sometimes i experience more of a cold anger where I like, maintain intellectualism and use more logic

[Cephrir]

Also I dont really like how suddenly this goes from norwe town to scum after just one post indicating he won't be an ally

where does grendel indicate he thinks norwee is town

Maybe town is too strong a word but in 1658 he seemed to be considering it

[Andante]

aldente read

I think the people have the right to know
@andante are you fully cooked?

indeed. to perfection!

[Andante]

Also I dont really like how suddenly this goes from norwe town to scum after just one post indicating he won't be an ally

where does grendel indicate he thinks norwee is town

Maybe town is too strong a word but in 1658 he seemed to be considering it

grendel and norwee, reading that entire exchange, felt like 1 maf talking to another maf, as an effort to distance from each other

[Andante]

in other words, nothing about it seemed natural

[NorwegianboyEE]

Your face is not natural.

[Val89]

I still can't understand why, when the issue of LLDs alignment and the interaction with the bears comes up, the focus remains on the fact it was presented as a fake vig, and the fact that the mod locked the thread - something SirCakez specifically stated was not game related - rather than the other mod response.

I could understand if there was an argument being made that it could possibly have still come from scum, perhaps, but for it to have been ignored completely in favour of a discussion on what metagame info might be gleaned from the thread locking instead make me think I must be missing something obvious, here.

[Save The Dragons]

i feel like both are unimportant

[Val89]

i feel like both are unimportant

Unimportant with respect to LLDs alignment, or unimportant in general?

If you mean the later, I'm going to have to respectfully disagree. SirCakez says the thread locking was not related to the game state, which strongly implies the other post was.

I don't know if the apparent concensus to straight up ignore it was deliberate, and I'm not understanding due to my inexperience outside the known setup of the newbie queue, but it's fed very strongly into how I am reading LLD.

[Andante]

VOTE: Norwee

[Save The Dragons]

how does it relate to LLD's alignment

[Val89]

grendel and norwee, reading that entire exchange, felt like 1 maf talking to another maf, as an effort to distance from each other

Norwee has been gunning for the elimination of the MegA/Grendel slot since before it was cool. I'm not sure I can buy there is a 'distancing' motivation at play there.

[Val89]

how does it relate to LLD's alignment

LLD does something, Mod publically does two things, one of which SirCakez says was a bit of trolling, presumably meaning the other wasn't.

Again, I would understand an argument from people with more experience with the source, or theme games in general, that it could still possibly come from scum, or perhaps I am misunderstanding cause and effect, but my initial thinking is that if you are going to do something that invokes a public response from a mod, you aren't doing that so openly if you are scum.

[Save The Dragons]

how do you know it has to do with what LLD did

[Cephrir]

LLD does something, Mod publically does two things, one of which SirCakez says was a bit of trolling, presumably meaning the other wasn't.

I really doubt the mod was like, "I'm gonna imply that I interfered with the game on purpose now as a fun clue"

[Greeting]

No, I'm not reading 15 pages accumulated in 24 hours.

[Val89]

I'm not sure I understand Cephrir. SirCakez said the locking of the thread was a bit of trolling, presumably to lend a bit of credibility to the idea LLD had legitimately dayvigged the bears. The other post wasn't mentioned, and would not do that. I assume therefore, that was legitimate and intended.

With respect to knowing that it was related to what LLD did, the short answer is that I don't know for sure, and that's what I mean by misunderstanding cause and effect, but if it wasn't, there is a big timing coincidence there.

[Cephrir]

I'm not sure I understand Cephrir. SirCakez said the locking of the thread was a bit of trolling, presumably to lend a bit of credibility to the idea LLD had legitimately dayvigged the bears. The other post wasn't mentioned, and would not do that. I assume therefore, that was legitimate and intended.

With respect to knowing that it was related to what LLD did, the short answer is that I don't know for sure, and that's what I mean by misunderstanding cause and effect, but if it wasn't, there is a big timing coincidence there.

so you think 322 is the mod intentionally telling us info about players' alignments???????????????

[Save The Dragons]

dear, are you just averse to using the post tag

[Val89]

I think 322 was a mod response to an activated ability that prompts a public mod response, the existence of which potentially provides a clue to one or more players alignment.

You don't?

I at least understand what StD is saying about it potentially not being caused by LLD posting "Seize: X" in the public thread, and that's something I've considered and explained why at least at this stage is an assumption I'm happy making, but im not entirely sure what you are trying to say, Cephrir.

[Greeting]

I don't like

Grendel

in this game at all.

gth Norwee is my biggest SR. Feels like he's quietly playing his own game in the background, and that smells like agenda. Present, active, but distant.

Bell is interesting as he also feels like he could fall into a similar boat. Tho he gives of the vibe of a player that'll be hard for me to read tonally.

These reads sound fake and manfactured to me. They sound like they come from the point of view of someone who doesn't see how towny

Bell

is acting and sounding. I could consider

NorwegianboyEE

as a potential scum moreso than

Bell

, but anything he may have ever posted is... just null. In my experience, scums quite rarely have emotions guiding their actions, it comes from town far more often. And so I'm inclined to think that

NorwegianboyEE

's earlier agitation I spoke of in 865 is towny.

Their reads on certain other players look really fake and superficial too, like:

Arcade looks like scum. Nothing this game has looked as motivated as what i used to know MariaR for. Idk anything about DUnn, but i don't really care. Norwee still looks like scum too.

Andante is scum lean.

Maybe it's just really hard for me to see what's so extremely scummy about either of these two (three). Like, sure, maybe if I read into them more deeply I

could

find a thing or two. But on surface level, both are very much null and I don't think my eye is any better or worse than that of a common person. When someone makes strong statements like this without substantiating them very much it just looks totally out of the blue.

Grendel

moved on way too quickly from my wagon. In 1282 he literally lists me at the bottom of the list and that's just because of... my wallpost supposedly. Now he's found another target fast. Add to that his predecessor (

MegAzumarill

), who normally is more active than they were in this game.

My gut says this is the right move. This slot got a red PM.

VOTE: Grendel

The only thing that comes to his defense in my mind is 1698, where he clearly defends

Ircher

(and I also think he's town), but in this situation I think it's scum trying to make themselves look cleaner.

I still think

T3

was scummy and

Val89

's latest posting hasn't changed my mind, so I'm willing to vote that too.

[Andante]

Ceph, Dragons, Idk who I wanna vote, like, I don't think Grendel is a bad vote, I'm down to yeet Arcade too, ahhhhh

[Cephrir]

dear, are you just averse to using the post tag

you expect me to do work????

[Cephrir]

I think 322 was a mod response to an activated ability that prompts a public mod response, the existence of which potentially provides a clue to one or more players alignment.

You don't?

no. he was just confirming the dayvig as fake