open 841: concgratulations to the winners and losers

[Alyssa The Lamb]

the other two wagonees*

[skitter30]

@catboi r.e. alyssa - i can see that, yeah

because I know the alignment of the other three wagonees from day one

so knowing that he's town or scum drastically changes how day one looks depending on which it is

well, what would the game look like to you in either universe?

[Alyssa The Lamb]

if midwaybear is scum, then it means the slots pushing for them are more likely town while the slots that aggressively pushed away from it are more likely scum
if midwaybear is town, then it's a lot messier, but scum are far more likely to be among the slots that were just kind of floating around than anything else

it's kinda interesting that the part of my ISO that stood out the most was that part but sure

[skitter30]

Well, which way are you reading him, and from ur pov if he's town why was there a scramble eod?

[Alyssa The Lamb]

atm I'm reading him as town

and if he is legitimately town, then there was probably a scramble because town was pulled in different directions while scum didn't really need to; in this particular scenario, there's no real reason for scum to push things in different directions as much as town trying to push their own scumreads since that's more likely to give town info they otherwise wouldn't have

the other way that can go is scum was pushing to get specific kills through because it would be incongruent to compromise otherwise, but I don't really have the patience to check for that atm, and I don't think it's entirely productive anyways

I like to not look at all of the possible scenarios, I'd rather rule things out and analyze what's left

[Andante]

yoooo that's actually a really good point, if midway is town and flow is town and sleepless town, maf was stuck probably going between wagons, and maybe not taking a hard stance for one, which would make me feel a lot better about voting mena here than nsg, like both mena and nsg did the "im acknowledging I got a prod, but don't replace me" thing, but mena's was worse, like "do I have to read all that...." versus "I intend to catch up" plus if maf was stuck between wagons, I think mena is gonna be a better vote than nsg

[Mare]

VOTE: Northsidegal

SHrug and throwing up of hands to keep game moving.

[catboi]

if midwaybear is scum, then it means the slots pushing for them are more likely town while the slots that aggressively pushed away from it are more likely scum
if midwaybear is town, then it's a lot messier, but scum are far more likely to be among the slots that were just kind of floating around than anything else

it's kinda interesting that the part of my ISO that stood out the most was that part but sure

I don't really believe in wagonomics but who do you see fitting into those categories?

I could point at other stuff but that was one of the posts that felt the most tangibly off to me

[catboi]

nsg is probably getting replaced at this rate

[schadd_]

prodding northsidegal

[Alyssa The Lamb]

I'd have to look again

[skitter30]

Busy friday, i'll be around tom night, and will get back to u then alyssa ... also i think nsg is at e1 again now

[Datisi]

just wanna let you know that i am still alive and reading and don't have many thoughts about this game

i did have a thought floating somehwere in the back of my mind how it's ~weird~ how there was so much panic(?) and pushing around the wagons yesterday, while today it seems like everyone is perfectly satisfied with nsg dying. my first thought would be that that means the flow slot is scum and buddies were creating counterplay with sleepless, and that nsg is town, but i would have to review the exact order of events and frankly i don't care enough to do it right now

[Andante]

UNVOTE: NSG

I want a mena wagon over nsg, I don't think I like this wagon right now, especially with Mare, a SR of mine casually putting NSG at e-1 and not saying that was e-1

[Andante]

feels like nsg flips town tbh

[Alyssa The Lamb]

VOTE: Alyssa The Lamb

Lowkey thinking this is just the best option for forwarding the game

I'll explain later if I have to

[catboi]

UNVOTE: NSG

I want a mena wagon over nsg, I don't think I like this wagon right now, especially with Mare, a SR of mine casually putting NSG at e-1 and not saying that was e-1

For the record it was not E-1 since I moved my vote. Agree that it was not a particularly thrilling vote.

VOTE: Alyssa The Lamb

Lowkey thinking this is just the best option for forwarding the game

I'll explain later if I have to

Uh...why?

[Alyssa The Lamb]

Uh...why?

1. It gives everybody the ability to know that flow was town, which already gives more insight into day one than most other kills; with how useless most of today was (DL is in like 4 days isn't it?), that's at least something
2. If Menalque and NSG are town, this is already a losing position for town since they both give very little information upon a flip and then I'm the obvious kill after that, which will be past game at that point
3. I'm borderline unreadable in this type of game, so there is little reason for anyone to believe I'm town later on in the game, so it will be easy for me to be set up to be the game winning kill on day 4 or whatever it is
4. Something very odd happening might be the jumpstart that the inactive town need to start giving a shit about the game.

[catboi]

UNVOTE:

VOTE: Menalque

[Datisi]

not saying i disagree, but how is mena lurking different than nsg lurking?

[catboi]

nsg is prob getting replaced + her day 1 was better than pooky's even if she was wrong on sleepless

[Datisi]

this game is a circus

VOTE: mena

[midwaybear]

Sorry busy days.
I townread catboi for switching to menalque. Think town get cold feet here more than scum. It's possible nsg is scum.
I don't really agree with alyssa on how self voting is beneficial for the game. Ur not getting wagoned today...
Thoughts on SS? I think he could be scum here.

[Andante]

VOTE: Alyssa The Lamb

Lowkey thinking this is just the best option for forwarding the game

I'll explain later if I have to

none of us want to flip you? I already said I thought your slot was town? not sure how you selfvoting and us voting out a town is even beneficial??

[Andante]

VOTE: Mena