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[The Bombay]

I am reading the gamestate

Suripoko will be the elim without a significant gamestate shift

Then lets make that happen.

Who would you consider killing today?

Mastina and I look to both be open to Cakez, which already ties (I am assuming Suri's vote to be on what ever counter wagon exists, obviously).

Rogue has voiced concerns about Ivan's claim, and might join that wagon. You, me, Mastina, Rogue, and Suri handedly becomes the top wagon since that pulls a Rogue's vote off of Suri.

For reasons I cannot understand, people seems strangely resistant to the T3 push despite him doing fuck all all day phase. So, that seems off the table. :/

[The Bombay]

As I said, Suripoko is capable of using their words any time they choose to. I have no sympathy for this game of Pictionary.

Bombay, might I suggest you stop trying to sing the song of this game when you've only been given a handful of notes?

This feels suspiciously like you are saying that I should not be trying to solve with the information that I have available, which is like, the entire point of this game.

[Rogue]

If 1024 is some shit about how he’s solving in the hood I swear to god I’m nuking that shit from existence.

I’m not playing this “so and so is so town in the hood” game.

[jjh927]

Most people will ultimately accept a suripoko elim

That there are possible alternatives is meaningless when there is no sufficient reason for any individual alternative to pick up more traction than suripoko, which is the case right now with people pushing their preferred elims


I would want sircakez but truth be told I'm fine with suripoko in the end. The cool neighbourhood trio should be running the show if the gamestate is gonna go anywhere else

[jjh927]

I interpreted 1024 as bombay not having accurate information as to what other people are actually gonna do based on their current inclinations

[Lady Lambdadelta]

I am reading the gamestate

Suripoko will be the elim without a significant gamestate shift

Then lets make that happen.

Who would you consider killing today?

Mastina and I look to both be open to Cakez, which already ties (I am assuming Suri's vote to be on what ever counter wagon exists, obviously).

Rogue has voiced concerns about Ivan's claim, and might join that wagon. You, me, Mastina, Rogue, and Suri handedly becomes the top wagon since that pulls a Rogue's vote off of Suri.

For reasons I cannot understand, people seems strangely resistant to the T3 push despite him doing fuck all all day phase. So, that seems off the table. :/

Hey, for everyone reading along?

This slot is currently calling me confirmed town and trying to make wagons that include neither Shiro nor My vote.

That's not something town does. If Shiro and I are town, and there's 3 scum remaining...

You would need to go 6/6 for a wagon to contain no bussing scum.

So if Bombay is town, they're saying either

1) they think they can use this strategy and scum will choose to bus

or

2) they're so confident in their reads they can identify and convince the 6 townies that exist in the game that aren't named LLD and Shiro.

These are both ludicrous claims, and should tell you a LOT about Bombay's alignment.

[Lady Lambdadelta]

Like everyone on this page right now currently posting should take a look at that post I just made and ask themselves one question

How can there exist a townie who both believes Shiro and I are town and believes they will achieve a scum elimination today without at least one of our votes onside?

[StrangeMatter]

SirCakez is concerning.

Why was SirCakez concerning? I don't feel like you've ever elaborated on this and it's just not been talked about it.

Oh it's probably StrangeMatter since this is scum theater here.

It also is proof of why Ivan is scum btw; if SirCakez was so concerning, why was SirCakez not one of Ivan's targets?

This is weird because there was an attempt by me and another scum partner in another game to do a theater (Newbie 2084 and here https://forum.mafiascum.net/viewtopic.p ... er_sort=Go) . So I'm wondering, do you actually believe this is actually a theater that I would do as scum?

[Lady Lambdadelta]

I want Bombay or Mastina today. Suri can't live forever and won't, but once I'm dead this town gets a lot easier to run over.

So fi this is my last day alive and it's sure as hell looking like it.

I'm not letting anyone shoot their shot without my say so, and the people who try get to answer the above question about numbers and likelyhood of hitting scum as a result

[jjh927]

I mean
Consider that if you are wrong on bombay, then bombay has reason to doubt your reads

[jjh927]

If you're gonna make me choose between mastina and bombay then kill bombay... Except I don't think either are scum

[Lady Lambdadelta]

Hey JJH

In the past you've claimed to be able to read mastina very strongly

Where is your mastina read and why have you not been singing it to high heavens, one way or another?

[The Bombay]

1) I have never called you confirmed town. I am leaning town on you. Marci on the fence.

2) You are currently voting for me, which means you don't seem like a person I can really work with right now.

3) Every person I am trying to work with are people that I think are town (Mastina, jjh, and rogue).

[Lady Lambdadelta]

I mean
Consider that if you are wrong on bombay, then bombay has reason to doubt your reads

Then bombay should be trying to convince me otherwise, not trying to organize 6 voters, at least one of which needs to be scum from my POV, to kill someone.

[The Bombay]

Also, this day phase does not need a hammer. Plurality rules are in effect.

[jjh927]

Mastina is town

Statistically speaking my read on Mastina is strong, but I don't know about that. I am pretty confident she is town here though

[Lady Lambdadelta]

1) I have never called you confirmed town. I am leaning town on you. Marci on the fence.

2) You are currently voting for me, which means you don't seem like a person I can really work with right now.

3) Every person I am trying to work with are people that I think are town (Mastina, jjh, and rogue).

You recognize that unless scum bus your plan REQUIRES you to find the 6 townies, yes?

And the fact is I am confirmed town at this point. Your constant denials only condemn you further to me.

I'm telling you that the way for you to play this day as town is to work with me and convince me not to kill you.

And the way for you to play this day as scum is to continue to discredit me and push your own agenda.

And I know which one you've done so that's where my suspicion lies.

[The Bombay]

I mean
Consider that if you are wrong on bombay, then bombay has reason to doubt your reads

Then bombay should be trying to convince me otherwise, not trying to organize 6 voters, at least one of which needs to be scum from my POV, to kill someone.

To be real with you, I figured my best way to do that was to organize a wagon on my scum reads, and kill scum today. I frankly don't know that you would respond to anything else.

[Lady Lambdadelta]

Mastina is town

Statistically speaking my read on Mastina is strong, but I don't know about that. I am pretty confident she is town here though

Okay, so let's play a game shall we.

Ivan Shiro Mastina you and I are off the table for today. In this hypothetical.

That leaves you
Bombay
Rogue
SM
Cakez
T3
Suripoko

Who would you kill today and assuming they flip scum (so assuming you're right) who is scum with them?

[The Bombay]

You recognize that unless scum bus your plan REQUIRES you to find the 6 townies, yes?

I don't know that this is true. I just set out with the idea that we can get one of my scum reads to a higher vote count then [Cakez, T2, and Ivan] all parked on Suri.

That seems perfectly possible even without you agreeing to work with me.

[jjh927]

Bombay, just for what it's worth since you are probably missing the mechanical subtleties here-

LLD and Shiro are conftown from each others' perspectives as a result of Ivan's role. I believe 'parity cop' is just a way of simplifying how the role actually works in practice, and that they have effectively received the result on each other in some way.

[jjh927]

Mastina is town

Statistically speaking my read on Mastina is strong, but I don't know about that. I am pretty confident she is town here though

Okay, so let's play a game shall we.

Ivan Shiro Mastina you and I are off the table for today. In this hypothetical.

That leaves you
Bombay
Rogue
SM
Cakez
T3
Suripoko

Who would you kill today and assuming they flip scum (so assuming you're right) who is scum with them?

SirCakez

No idea about associatives.

I'd take Suripoko too, and would consider rogue and SM. I think T3 and Bombay are town.

[The Bombay]

Bombay, just for what it's worth since you are probably missing the mechanical subtleties here-

LLD and Shiro are conftown from each others' perspectives as a result of Ivan's role. I believe 'parity cop' is just a way of simplifying how the role actually works in practice, and that they have effectively received the result on each other in some way.

I don't think that this is true. They are only confirmed town to one another if Ivan is town.

@LLD- is the parity cop confirmed in the hood?

No

They are not confirmed town. I think that LLD is likely town, but she is claiming that she is confirmed. That is not true. Unless Ivan dies, and actually flips parity cop.

[Lady Lambdadelta]

I mean
Consider that if you are wrong on bombay, then bombay has reason to doubt your reads

Then bombay should be trying to convince me otherwise, not trying to organize 6 voters, at least one of which needs to be scum from my POV, to kill someone.

To be real with you, I figured my best way to do that was to organize a wagon on my scum reads, and kill scum today. I frankly don't know that you would respond to anything else.

In a situation where you're trying to kill the person who claimed a parity cop read on me, it's hard to take that as such.

Still, it's not like I haven't suspected Cakez. It's possible Cakez is the scum in the wheel of Mastina's gameplay over yours.

But in this game right now, you need to convince townies. And if you're leaving Shiro and I off to the side, and making it a thing where we vote against you...

if you are town, you have to expect at that point, the scum will vote you

so consider you're 3/3 right? let's say you're right

so T3 Cakez Ivan Shiro and I are gonna vote you

and you'll need to convince

Mastina
JJH
Suripoko
Rogue
StrangeMatter

all to vote your target.

That's not likely to happen, but possible.

Now say you're only 2/3. Well, now the 5 names I said above are voting you and all it takes is the 3rd unfound scum to not vote with you, vote with us and you die.

And the less right you are, the worse it gets.

So all roads lead through rome today, friend. I'm in a position that you're not able to just play around me and avoid me today.

If you think I'm town, which you kinda gotta, you need me to sign off and believe you're town too, or you better be DAMN sure that you have all the other townies right