open 841: concgratulations to the winners and losers

[Alyssa The Lamb]

also I hate relying on PRs to win a game

all that does is allow towns to win games where they just play bad and don't deserve it

I'm glad you're blessed with far-above-average town play but it's a bit rude to call anyone not playing at that level bad and undeserving of a win

I think there's a misunderstanding on what bad town play is to me

the spectrum of town play to me is how well the scumteam have to play in order to beat them; individual player strength has little to nothing to do with it

[catboi]

how relevant is it that he was scum that game

I mean it's how I actually feel about him so not at all.

Do you have any read on me at all this game?

[Kaiji]

also I hate relying on PRs to win a game

all that does is allow towns to win games where they just play bad and don't deserve it

I'm glad you're blessed with far-above-average town play but it's a bit rude to call anyone not playing at that level bad and undeserving of a win

I think there's a misunderstanding on what bad town play is to me

the spectrum of town play to me is how well the scumteam have to play in order to beat them; individual player strength has little to nothing to do with it

that is a good definition and im glad to have u locktowned until further notice

[catboi]

And for that matter are you going to vote anyone at all?

[Alyssa The Lamb]

also I hate relying on PRs to win a game

all that does is allow towns to win games where they just play bad and don't deserve it

I'm glad you're blessed with far-above-average town play but it's a bit rude to call anyone not playing at that level bad and undeserving of a win

I think there's a misunderstanding on what bad town play is to me

the spectrum of town play to me is how well the scumteam have to play in order to beat them; individual player strength has little to nothing to do with it

that is a good definition and im glad to have u locktowned until further notice

what

how do the two thoughts correlate at all

[Kaiji]

also I hate relying on PRs to win a game

all that does is allow towns to win games where they just play bad and don't deserve it

I'm glad you're blessed with far-above-average town play but it's a bit rude to call anyone not playing at that level bad and undeserving of a win

I think there's a misunderstanding on what bad town play is to me

the spectrum of town play to me is how well the scumteam have to play in order to beat them; individual player strength has little to nothing to do with it

that is a good definition and im glad to have u locktowned until further notice

what

how do the two thoughts correlate at all

yes

[catboi]

also I hate relying on PRs to win a game

all that does is allow towns to win games where they just play bad and don't deserve it

I'm glad you're blessed with far-above-average town play but it's a bit rude to call anyone not playing at that level bad and undeserving of a win

I think there's a misunderstanding on what bad town play is to me

the spectrum of town play to me is how well the scumteam have to play in order to beat them; individual player strength has little to nothing to do with it

that is a good definition and im glad to have u locktowned until further notice

I'm not sure why a technical definition is worthy of locktowning? Unless the two are just unrelated

[Kaiji]

unrelated, my high ass already locktowned for something else that i can't remember but i trust it LOL

[Something_Smart]

But if it aged poorly(your implication) - after the fact that midway claimed doc -> clearly that means you consider them town, correct?

No? It means that team is implausible with how he tried to leverage his PR to deflect his wagon to me, the single least likely person to have a PR.

[Something_Smart]

Do you have any read on me at all this game?

Not really, no, my working theory is just that I can't read you at all.

[Kaiji]

I don't think his vote will stick if an actual wagon forms, actually. But that's if they log in lol

Nothing about it screams "unaligned" to me.

[Something_Smart]

I think there's a misunderstanding on what bad town play is to me

I don't think so. PR's are part of town's tools they are given, just as the NK is part of scum's tools. You're saying that town should be able to ignore a major tool and still win, or else they don't really deserve it.

[Kaiji]

[Kaiji]

eh i can see town andante assuming that
VOTE: SS

ok

like

i did a little research

Search for "something_smart" in midway's ISO and look how nice and friendly midway interacts with SS


midway just spewed himself and SS as scum

frankly doesnt matter which order we do it in but ye


that 180 flip is a distance and we know ittttttttt

[skitter30]

like, if you had thought cakez was a better wagon, why didn't you do that *before* midway outed his pick

pedit: hmm? i haven't moved my vote. i'm standing behind it. you're the one who swapped onto a different wagon immediately, tf you on about?

Because i think that's a role that will get resolved at night, and i dont want to flip it if town

[skitter30]

I wish ... as it is, i've basically resigned myself to a loss here

what is this supposed to mean

Impossible ro tell the difference between town and scum rn

[skitter30]

I dont really want to flip ss today

[Kaiji]

I dont really want to flip ss today

the countercase is brave and controversial, but does nothing to convince the mob.

[Something_Smart]

The mob is literally you and the guy you're calling lockscum

[Kaiji]

no, i'm the whole mob

[Kaiji]

midway is like a funny clown who showed up in his little clowncar with a little bear in the backseat

[skitter30]

@skitter why do you townread SS?

- i liked his refusal to vote sleepless yesterday / his townread of sleepless
- i liked his read on mare
- i liked his reaction to my pushing him

Why is any of this a towntell for him?

- dunno why scum-him postures around not voting sleepless, seems easy enuf to just vote him. Also he had a pretty early townread on sleepless' big wall, and was pretty resolute in defending it throughougt despite pressure from a variety of people voting there, which makes me think it was a real read he had the whole time
- this was is more just a ping
- i liked the whole string of posts ~1736 - ~ 1759, particularly 1745, i'm not sure scum-him pushes back and tells me i'm making an inaccurate comparison, or gets so grumpy about the comparison i'm making, or would respond that way to being 'threatened'

I also dont think he questions me the way he did when i questioned mare's claim as scum

[Something_Smart]

I think you're right though, I think it is actually plausible for scum!RB-midway to push scum!goon-S_S to try to keep the scum PR alive longer, especially with multitasking.

But I wouldn't have wanted something so heavy-handed, it could be meant to frame me and look like distancing, but more likely it really was just hoping that people respect the PR claim and push on an obvious VT instead.

[Alyssa The Lamb]

I think there's a misunderstanding on what bad town play is to me

I don't think so. PR's are part of town's tools they are given, just as the NK is part of scum's tools. You're saying that town should be able to ignore a major tool and still win, or else they don't really deserve it.

the nightkill is a tool to help the mafia fool the town during the day, it's not their primary tool to win the game

if town can do essentially nothing during the day to find the mafia and still win just through clearing too many people with PRs and forcing all of scum's kills, then I don't think town really deserved a win, no

I'm a pretty firm believer that the day play is the cornerstone of the game and the PRs should facilitate winning through that avenue; if the game can be played just by directing PRs, then that's just subverting the game imo

at the very least it just feels awful to me as either alignment when town wins through power roles when the scumteam blatantly played the day phase better

[Kaiji]

none of your points are outside of SS's scumrange and in fact a couple are firmly in it, namely being mildly grumpy about something they perceive as wrong is 1000% in SS's scumrange