Open 839: White flag Holder [Game Over]

[Looker]

Based off tone and relaxed posts (also votes within the game), I feel it's Harley, Voyc and Dwlee (could replace Dwlee with MegaZoom, but I feel more toward Dwlee). Galron went v/la as scum last game, so I'm kind of suspicious of that as well (I know, it's an insult, but I'm being honest). Only person to vote Harley was marcistar, who

replaced out and then

died. Harley's the only one to votepark Dwlee. Only person to vote Voyc was Andante, who replaced out and then died, despite Dwlee and Harley saying they want Voyc out. Kinda skimming, so let me know what I've missed or am missing.

[Looker]

Guessing now's not the time to vote since scum can pull a quickhammer (Hey, Dwlee! ) with 3, but my vote would go to those three in the order they were listed.

[Harley Quinn]

I don't think it's useful rn but you sit nicely in poe territory right now anyway.

Voyc, numberQ, Harley I want full readslists today preferably soon.

Nobody vote without intent, we can lose to one misvote

I don’t do full ordered readslists on command and I’m getting somewhat annoyed that you haven’t responded to anything I’ve said.

So how about you maybe address that instead off issuing orders?

I in particular didn’t care for the bolded.

You also didn’t respond to Q, who’s valid point, you just conveniently ignored. How is Fire slot out of your PoE? Hell, why are you “clear” based off of your reactions to Fire?

[Looker]

O wow, that was quick

[Harley Quinn]

Based off tone and relaxed posts (also votes within the game), I feel it's Harley, Voyc and Dwlee (could replace Dwlee with MegaZoom, but I feel more toward Dwlee).

Galron went v/la as scum last game, so I'm kind of suspicious of that as well (I know, it's an insult, but I'm being honest).

Only person to vote Harley was marcistar, who

replaced out and then

died. Harley's the only one to votepark Dwlee. Only person to vote Voyc was Andante, who replaced out and then died, despite Dwlee and Harley saying they want Voyc out. Kinda skimming, so let me know what I've missed or am missing.

When did marci ever vote me? And fyi, I never voteparked or even ever voted Dwlee, that was my predecessor. I just didn’t unvote when I replaced into that slot. Also, for like the gazillionth fucking time now, I’ve been on v/la since I think d2.

When did marci replace out? She never did either one of those things. She never voted me and she never replaced out.

You may possibly be right about the Andante thing but that’s it. She was also replaced. What does either Andante replacing out and or her replacement being the nk have anything to do with either me or Dwlee? And I don’t recall mentioning anything before today about that? iirc, Andante replacement was hard opposed to Voyc and I didn’t express much of a read on her. I did like Datsi but Voyc hasn’t really done much since her taking over that slot.

[Harley Quinn]

VOTE: marcistar
sup bestie

not much, just sad that i rolled scum
wbu?

VOTE: numberq
dont like them already, i could see them being jest/scum. prob more likely scum but ??

VOTE: rh9

VOTE: darby

VOTE: toogeloo

These are all of marci’s votes and she never voted me but my predecessor but only briefly, so I really don’t understand how marci very briefly voting my predecessor means jack?

And she was miselimed so not a replace out.

[Harley Quinn]

Three can also be town for posting after bearbearbearo!! gg I found us 2 town. such an easy game

VOTE: Dwlee

VOTE: blood puppets

VOTE: Toogeloo

cause there's no actual masons... ughhh

VOTE: numberQ

I'll just go here

VOTE: ahhhlo

fine. ahhhhlo lives another day.

VOTE: NumberQ

VOTE: Toogeloo

sure

VOTE: marci

sure

VOTE: RH9
voted no one at day end?

So day 1 went so well, we figure we don't need to talk much for day 2?
what about here?
VOTE: Voyc

VOTE: numberQ

actually, I'm voting Voyc until I have a reason to unvote there
VOTE: Voyc

All of Andante’s votes. I will now look up her replacement.

[Harley Quinn]

im probably not gonna read this thread unless someone really bullies me into it, but does anyone have any advice on avoiding the jester (or, is there a general consensus on who the jester is)? i dont really wanna get caught playing 3:9 mountainous lol.

VOTE: rh9

oh nvm i just scrolled up the page enchant is 100% jester

UNVOTE:
VOTE: milk and mocha

idk just seems the most likely player to shoot blood puppets

im gonna try to be here throughout as much of the deadline period as possible, i'll get back on rh9 if m&m just doesnt have support, but i think m&m's a much better elim. i also agree with blood puppets' observation that mocha couldve been trying to bait an ic counterclaim.

our best-case scenario is scum shooting jester, but i dont really believe that that will actually happen lol. like, is the jester gonna be looking exceptionally townie or making convincing and cogent cases? and the alternative that enchant proposes, where we all jester-tell so scum's shooting a little blind -- we're flatly not going to catch scum if we adopt this strategy (idk, maybe this is a more controversial opinion than i think? i almost never play jester games). i think we're much better off being open in jester reads to avoid mountainous, than we are praying that scum shoot jester.

i dont get why rh9 isnt voting. very strange to recognize deadline urgency to the point where you say youre fine with being eliminated as town, but not cast at least a semi-arbitrary vote for that same reason.

UNVOTE: mocha
VOTE: rh9

i consider these two pretty interchangeable. ive covered why im not interested in eliminating alyssa right this moment.

okay get on rh9 unless you want to elect me thread leader, in which case vote mocha.

UNVOTE:
VOTE: mocha

lmao i cant actually find any clear and obviously-current reads on any living players

whatever, back to mocha

VOTE: mocha

regardless, i think every other non-rh9 player who's posted so far has given explicit support for the rh9 wagon, perhaps consensus is not so hard lmao

UNVOTE:
VOTE: rh9

if three decides mocha isnt jester, very happy to wagon there too, but for now i strongly agree that we should just stump the jester.

mcEster’s votes

[Harley Quinn]

i think harley quinn is town, the advice to read the ahhlo iso was imo nonobvious

voyc feels unlikely to me, it's possible that enchant and numberq are the only objections and everyone else would be on-board, but i dont think so?

to clarify: youre also a hard no on voyc?

enchant, who's town? so far i only really have you and dwlee down. kind of a town on voyc too, i think #2554 is town survivalism.

okay. obviously i cant make anyone go along with this, but my plan for tomorrow is to treat enchant/dwlee/three/voyc/quinn(!) as town and look for scum outside of that group.

This was mc Ester’s final reads list. So not really a fan of Looker’s catch up since none of their reasons for sr me or takes on what happened in the game and subsequent interpretations of that aren’t making a whole lot of sense to me.

I don’t know if it’s incorrect or selective reading or cherry picking which I still don’t know what to make of it but I didn’t tr Alyssa and I don’t like Looker’s catch up.

I think I would vote Voyc, Fire slot or Looker today, possibly Meg but haven’t made up my mind up yet which and I intend to take my sweet time deciding on that.

So I guess that’s my list then Meg, I’m liking Dwlee and Q’s posts the best today. I’ve been tr Meg allgame but her recent posts are making me question that, so that’s currently where I am.

[Kerset]

Mathblade replaces firebringer

[MegAzumarill]

I don't think it's useful rn but you sit nicely in poe territory right now anyway.

Voyc, numberQ, Harley I want full readslists today preferably soon.

Nobody vote without intent, we can lose to one misvote

I don’t do full ordered readslists on command and I’m getting somewhat annoyed that you haven’t responded to anything I’ve said.

So how about you maybe address that instead off issuing orders?

I in particular didn’t care for the bolded.

You also didn’t respond to Q, who’s valid point, you just conveniently ignored. How is Fire slot out of your PoE? Hell, why are you “clear” based off of your reactions to Fire?

There's some miscommunication here but the point I brought up I myself never held to be airtight.

I'm not responding more to it because there's actual behavior we can analyze and better discussion to have today

[MathBlade]

Vote Count 1.10

With 14 votes in play, it takes 8 to eliminate.


Toogeloo (5): marcistar,Blood Puppets, Three, Andante, Milk & Mocha,
Milk & Mocha (3): Toogeloo, numberQ, Dwlee99,
Not_Mafia (1): Not_Mafia,
Dwlee99 (1): Harley Quinn,
RH9 (1): Voyc,
numberQ (0):
Harley Quinn (0):
Three (0):
Andante (0):
marcistar (0):
Blood Puppets (0):
ahhlo (0):
Voyc (0):
MegAzumarill (0):

Not Voting

(2): RH9, MegAzumarill,

Deadline:

(expired on 2021-12-26 15:45:40)

Hey everyone! I have work in an hour but did look at VCs. This one stood out to me. I am town and the entire wagon on me was town + jester. So I need to look at why the wagon dissolved.

Has anyone fake voted yet?

[MathBlade]

Gun to my head initial impression is Dwlee Quinn Meg probably has at least one scum.
Dwlee because not dead yet
Quinn because they like Dwlee’s posts but based on what’s on this page didn’t consider why Dwlee isn’t dead
Meg because tbeir tone doesn’t match the last game I was with them on

If we could fake vote to determine who should vote that would be great.

[Kerset]

Vote Count 5.01

With 7 votes in play, it takes 4 to eliminate.

Looker (0):
Voyc (0):
Mathblade (0):
numberQ (0):
Dwlee99 (0):
Harley Quinn (0):
MegAzumarill (0):

Not Voting

(7): Voyc, Looker, Mathblade, Dwlee99, MegAzumarill, Harley Quinn, numberQ,

Deadline:

(expired on 2022-01-26 16:00:00)

Spoiler: Replacement guide

Not_Mafia->Alyssa The Lamb->Looker
Andante->mc esther
kunchi->ahhlo->Enchant
datsi->Voyc
DArby->Harley Quinn
Toogeloo->Firebringer->Mathblade

[MathBlade]

I don't think

M&M/Toog

are Mafia.

Not going to pretend to have great reasons for my vote but I do like this flip.

I townread the people on this wagon more than I do anyone else so.

M&M

, I don't know if 5 hr is enough to shift atp

~taly

This is interesting for Blood Puppet’s last post.
They were correct that both I and M&M were not mafia.
However this doesn’t point to a specific scum unless we look off wagon.

My theory is Blood Puppets was killed to try to preserve a scumread on my slot or M&M.

[MathBlade]

What do we gain from a potential town or jester M + M lim here?

obviously i dont believe we get anything out of eliminating jester!mocha. town!mocha, eh, it's a deadline elimination, it's not ideal but frankly i dont even think rh9 is ideal.

Considering mc ester was right on M&M being joker and they flipped the next day scum probably are on the M&M wagon. So lemme grab that.

[MathBlade]

Vote Count 3.02

With 10 votes in play, it takes 6 to eliminate.

Milk & Mocha (6): Dwlee99, Firebringer, numberQ, Three, Enchant, Milk & Mocha,
Alyssa The Lamb (0):
Three (0):
Voyc (0):
Enchant (0):
Firebringer (0):
numberQ (0):
Dwlee99 (0):
Harley Quinn (0):
MegAzumarill (0):

Not Voting

(4): Voyc, MegAzumarill, Alyssa The Lamb, Harley Quinn,

Deadline:

(expired on 2022-01-17 14:55:06)

Harley Quinn is on V/LA

So Dwlee, myself (town), numberQ, three (town), Enchant (town) , M&M Jester

So Dwlee and NumberQ look sus as hell.

[MathBlade]

VOTE: RH9

Don't think Voyc is happening no matter how many times we beetlejuice them.

Three really wanted Voyc. Need to give them a look over later

[MathBlade]

... Anyone can make up reason town fakeclaims IC?

It’s fire lol.
That should be enough reason knowing him.

[MathBlade]

Also has IC revealed? I am not asking you to although I think you should here and then control the elim to whoever you want so scum can’t. I don’t see it in mods ISO.

Bye for now will check later

[MathBlade]

So final thoughts before work are Dwlee is pretty likely scum at this point. Consider me fake voting them.

[MathBlade]

The replacements actually have me pretty lost in this game though. I think to make a real reads list I'll have to skim a few ISOs. And idk if I can do that tonight, so

this.. hasnt been helpful tbh

I lied both can be scum.

NumberQ scum meta is to go I dunno repeatedly in a lot of ways.

[MathBlade]

So Dwlee + NumberQ hella likely. Voyc is probably miselim bait

[MathBlade]

https://forum.mafiascum.net/viewtopic.p ... B%5D=16000

Search for “know” here. You get a shit ton of posts.
There’s another open number was scum in that I can’t find that has a similar pattern.

[MathBlade]

Gun to my head last scum is Meg for not being on any wagon end of D1. I really gotta go.

Quinn and Looker haven’t had too much bad pop up in my skim so I guess they are town reads or at least hear them out a lot.