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Dwlee99 (3): Greeting, Scorpious, mastina

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ɀefiend (3): Taly, Titus, House

[E-3]

Taly (1): Galron
Enchant (1): Flea The Magician
House (1): ɀefiend
Scorpious (1): Dwlee99

Not Voting (1): Enchant

With 11 players alive, it takes 6 votes to achieve an eliminaton.

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[House]

Again, ALMOST and CAN being keywords here… don’t come at me with more bullshit House… I’m making an observation..

And Titus calls

me

sensitive.

[House]

-vc goes here-

Pagetop thief!

[House]

Brag time!

My most recently ended town game, for anyone curious:

https://forum.mafiascum.net/viewtopic.php?f=2&t=88484

Yes, I'm a chaotic shitstorm as town.

[Flea The Magician]

It's almost like I know that and that's why I'm thinking your town.

Also, you need to be in F5/F3 for me to be considering scum!you at this point housey.

[Titus]

Again, ALMOST and CAN being keywords here… don’t come at me with more bullshit House… I’m making an observation..

And Titus calls

me

sensitive.

So's Taly.

I love my sensitive men.

[Scorpious]

Again, ALMOST and CAN being keywords here… don’t come at me with more bullshit House… I’m making an observation..

And Titus calls

me

sensitive.

So's Taly.

I love my sensitive men.

I can’t watch the dog episode of Fututama…

I won’t do it..

[Galron]

Conservative language.

VOTE: zefiend

[Titus]

Brag time!

My most recently ended town game, for anyone curious:

https://forum.mafiascum.net/viewtopic.php?f=2&t=88484

Yes, I'm a chaotic shitstorm as town.

You're just a chaotic shitstorm period. It's why we work so well together but why I don't fully trust you.

[Galron]

Again, ALMOST and CAN being keywords here… don’t come at me with more bullshit House… I’m making an observation..

And Titus calls

me

sensitive.

So's Taly.

I love my sensitive men.

I can’t watch the dog episode of Fututama…

I won’t do it..

This is about the first thing you've said that's made me feel any empathy for you.

[Galron]

I'd like her to tell me whether that's a fair assessment of where she's at.

Not quite--you were an initial townread but then I doubted it down to null, pending more.

You're still there.

It's just that I have 5/10 or so slots as townreads so null places you in the poe.

The last person I'd eliminate from the poe mind you, but still in there.

I'm going to take a look at this. My reading comprehension.. eh

[House]

Brag time!

My most recently ended town game, for anyone curious:

https://forum.mafiascum.net/viewtopic.php?f=2&t=88484

Yes, I'm a chaotic shitstorm as town.

You're just a chaotic shitstorm period. It's why we work so well together but why I don't fully trust you.

Patently untrue.

I'm typically widely townread as scum because I know how to play the "good little townie" act.

I don't (usually) do that as town because it just feels fake, and I prefer being myself when I actually have nothing to hide.

[Galron]

My roll rate for scum is terrible

I think I'm at +90% town roll rate.

I know I said self-meta means nothing from but like

You could honestly catch me from BoPing in a scum game.

https://forum.mafiascum.net/viewtopic.php?f=51&t=88168

Only recent scum game where it's not a multigame-in-one.

tbf you asked for BoP there. And I was drunk.

[Titus]

Brag time!

My most recently ended town game, for anyone curious:

https://forum.mafiascum.net/viewtopic.php?f=2&t=88484

Yes, I'm a chaotic shitstorm as town.

You're just a chaotic shitstorm period. It's why we work so well together but why I don't fully trust you.

Patently untrue.

I'm typically widely townread as scum because I know how to play the "good little townie" act.

I don't (usually) do that as town because it just feels fake, and I prefer being myself when I actually have nothing to hide.

Conservative language.

VOTE: zefiend

Good vote.

[ɀefiend]

Titus' posts have been as lazy as mine

What makes you say this? It feels rather entitled/frustrated that I'm town. I don’t have many posts and they aren't verbose but they definitely have clear intention. For the most part, people know exactly where I stand.

Your posts, on the other hand, make it feel as if you'll vote anything with a pulse.

I would love for you to be town but you haven't shown ME personally that you are and it is worrying that other power players are town-reading you because I don't want to be tasked with scum-casing you later in the game if others can't/won't step up.

I just voted for the first time and for very good reason. There were plenty of other people I "pulsate" towards but I chose my vote very deliberately. So again this feels like a misrep with no actual intention to try and work with me here.

[Titus]

Short version: zefiend cries.

Long version: zefiend is waiting for a "power player" to case me before he will.

He doesn't dispute he'll vote almost anyone.

Says that I misrepresented him but doesn't say where.

I do admit I'm not intending to work with scum...unless I see him bus lol.

[ɀefiend]

Some reads:
- Taly is town
- Dwlee could be scum
- Scorpious could be scum, but not with House
- Flea gets +town points for standing up to mastina
- mastina gets -town points b/c of what Flea said
- If mastina is scum then Galron probably is too
- Greeting is null
- Enchant I hope is just bad town (like me)
- Titus is null

A lot of the reads were shaped in large part by House. Which had me strongly town-reading him. Until this post:

@mod

: do you treat kills performed on a Hider's target as being copied onto the Hider, rather than having the Hider's death trigger off the death of the hidee?

(The wiki mentions that some mods do this, which could be informative if that's the case because a protected Hider target would not protect the Hider)

I find this question very, very curious.

If it were the case, I agree it would be informative - but to who?

Suppose that it were the case that person X was protected and Cheeky visited person X. Then if scum attempted to kill person X, the kill would be "copied" onto Cheeky, explaining how they died.

This would tell scum (1) that there's a protective role and (2) that the protective role targeted person X

But it would tell town, in-game-thread, absolutely nothing.

Please explain how your question was meant to be informative or helpful to town. Because it smells like role/info-fishing as scum.

Why am I- the person who has most actively voted you -town?

Because your vote, while misplaced, is well-intentioned. I have been slacking this game and probably did deserve some votes but now that I am picking it up in gear and making an effort I want to engage with people who are actively solving the game - i.e. you, Greeting, sometimes Dwlee, sometimes mastina, maybe Flea, and ALMOST House until he ruined it with that question.

Actively solving is not the only reason I'm townreading you NOR is actively solving = town-read from me. For you specifically, it's your tone and intention I am keen on town-reading you.

And while I could see an intention of rolefishing i always get the impression scum will just ask spec questions in a PT or PM. At least that's what I do to not get attention brought to how I think about mechanics.

There could be other reasons for House's post but I would rather he face the music himself instead of getting bailed out by others.

VOTE: zefiend

I hadn't considered the possibility Taly might be Ascetic. Nice catch.

Taly, I'll quote it after work

Answer the question or eat rope.

VOTE: House

Kind of want to hear a genuine reply from

House

too though but I also think he's given his reply enough.

Also agree with

Titus

, you have no stated townreads other other me.

Because I don't hand out town-reads like candy and trust me, I have good reasons for town-reading you.

This would tell scum (1) that there's a protective role and (2) that the protective role targeted person X

It doesh't make House more townie or more mafia (atleast this exact argument), because mafia already knows what happened fully. They of course can and will try to pass it as notinformed, but most likely they simple trying to not talk about this at all, to not give hints and attention.

Like why scumread someone for giving information to mafia, because if they are mafia they kinda already know and thus every other mafia member will know as well. There's no benifit in telling.


Also wtf there's literally... Well ok, two outcomes, first is where Cheeky roleblocked and second where she visited Ascetic. We can't do anything with that.

You're wrong on both counts.

Mafia don't necessarily have all information.

Those are not the only two possible outcomes.

Okay.

Tell me others?

If you read the thread mastina posted three possibilities.

There are more beyond that.

Where are you going with this conversation

zefiend

?

Apparently nowhere but I did want to make it clear what I think of people's speccing/fishing when it is wrong/bad.

[Scorpious]

Some reads:
- Taly is town
- Dwlee could be scum
- Scorpious could be scum, but not with House
- Flea gets +town points for standing up to mastina
- mastina gets -town points b/c of what Flea said
- If mastina is scum then Galron probably is too
- Greeting is null
- Enchant I hope is just bad town (like me)
- Titus is null

A lot of the reads were shaped in large part by House. Which had me strongly town-reading him. Until this post:

@mod

: do you treat kills performed on a Hider's target as being copied onto the Hider, rather than having the Hider's death trigger off the death of the hidee?

(The wiki mentions that some mods do this, which could be informative if that's the case because a protected Hider target would not protect the Hider)

I find this question very, very curious.

If it were the case, I agree it would be informative - but to who?

Suppose that it were the case that person X was protected and Cheeky visited person X. Then if scum attempted to kill person X, the kill would be "copied" onto Cheeky, explaining how they died.

This would tell scum (1) that there's a protective role and (2) that the protective role targeted person X

But it would tell town, in-game-thread, absolutely nothing.

Please explain how your question was meant to be informative or helpful to town. Because it smells like role/info-fishing as scum.

This entire thing sucks..

And here is why:

The read list is VERY hedgy. There is absolute zero commitment to anything except litterally the safest read that Taly is town. “Could be”’s should not be in a read list. Possibly in a thought processing post maybe even on Poe but could be should not be a list that is supposed to be definitive.

And don’t say it isn’t now, you posted it as YOUR reads so I assume the list to be definitive. I really love the subtle ATe by calling yourself bad town, that part is so blatantly obvious it’s almost cringeworthy.. ick..

I could be scum but not with House.. stop it..

And then you lay on the audacity by saying this list is partially generated by some nonsense House wrote. Not even commenting on what he said. It’s irrelevant. But you want to insult our intelligence and say your entire list was made possible by the contribution of one post? The whole game? Because of House..That you thought was town. Until he asked that question..

So am I looking at a Town House(heh) influenced read list or a Scum House influenced read list.
Neither, because it’s fake..

And then you use it to transition into a question TO house..

Horrible lying and horrible execution..

VOTE: Zefiend

[Titus]

That's E minus 1

[ɀefiend]

Short version: zefiend cries.

Long version: zefiend is waiting for a "power player" to case me before he will.

He doesn't dispute he'll vote almost anyone.

Says that I misrepresented him but doesn't say where.

I do admit I'm not intending to work with scum...unless I see him bus lol.

Lol.

"Titus doesn't dispute she hasn't tried to show me she's town! She's obviously scum!!!11"

I'm not interesting in casing you right now because you're dry bones. Nothing to chew on. You're just clinging to me as a mislim target because I had a low-hanging-fruit/lurker tag all of Day 1.

You misrep because my vote was very clearly not desperate, i.e. NO - I am not willing to vote anything with a pulse.

[House]

Stop undermining my scumread, Scorpious!

[Titus]

Who, besides Taly, are you unwilling to vote?

I also don't prove I'm town. I just be town. So come at me when you're ready.

[House]

Titus doesn't have to prove she's town.

That's my job.

[ɀefiend]

I'm a fucking Jailkeeper.

Town on my wagon are terribad/lazy.

I jailed Taly N1. I've been crumbing all Day long. Maybe some quieter people have picked up on it, but surely nobody voting me.

VOTE: Galron is lockscum. Titus probably scum, her play is unforgivable as town.

Obviously if someone quickhammers me here shoot/lim them tomorrow.

This game gives me a headache, I'm taking a rest for the night.

[House]

I'm a fucking Jailkeeper.

Town on my wagon are terribad/lazy.

I jailed Taly N1. I've been crumbing all Day long. Maybe some quieter people have picked up on it, but surely nobody voting me.

VOTE: Galron is lockscum. Titus probably scum, her play is unforgivable as town.

Obviously if someone quickhammers me here shoot/lim them tomorrow.

This game gives me a headache, I'm taking a rest for the night.

Talking about all these scumreads, but I get no mention even though I'm the reason your wagon exists?

I. Don't. Believe. You.