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Post Post #1425 (ISO) » Wed Jan 19, 2022 2:29 pm

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In post 1424, House wrote:
In post 1423, ɀefiend wrote:I'm a fucking Jailkeeper.

Town on my wagon are terribad/lazy.

I jailed Taly N1. I've been crumbing all Day long. Maybe some quieter people have picked up on it, but surely nobody voting me.

VOTE: Galron is lockscum. Titus probably scum, her play is unforgivable as town.

Obviously if someone quickhammers me here shoot/lim them tomorrow.

This game gives me a headache, I'm taking a rest for the night.
Talking about all these scumreads, but I get no mention even though I'm the reason your wagon exists?

I. Don't. Believe. You.
Yeah I don't care - you can be scum too. You're loud enough to avoid your lim today but as I won't be around for long you won't have to deal with me pushing you any further. So good job doubling down.
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Post Post #1426 (ISO) » Wed Jan 19, 2022 2:29 pm

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In post 1420, House wrote:Stop undermining my scumread, Scorpious!
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Post Post #1427 (ISO) » Wed Jan 19, 2022 2:30 pm

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In post 1425, ɀefiend wrote:
In post 1424, House wrote:
In post 1423, ɀefiend wrote:I'm a fucking Jailkeeper.

Town on my wagon are terribad/lazy.

I jailed Taly N1. I've been crumbing all Day long. Maybe some quieter people have picked up on it, but surely nobody voting me.

VOTE: Galron is lockscum. Titus probably scum, her play is unforgivable as town.

Obviously if someone quickhammers me here shoot/lim them tomorrow.

This game gives me a headache, I'm taking a rest for the night.
Talking about all these scumreads, but I get no mention even though I'm the reason your wagon exists?

I. Don't. Believe. You.
Yeah I don't care - you can be scum too. You're loud enough to avoid your lim today but as I won't be around for long you won't have to deal with me pushing you any further. So good job doubling down.
Wagon me and case me.

And show me those crumbs.
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Post Post #1428 (ISO) » Wed Jan 19, 2022 2:30 pm

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This game quoting wrong posts...

I so don't have patience for tech drama
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Post Post #1429 (ISO) » Wed Jan 19, 2022 2:32 pm

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In post 1423, ɀefiend wrote:I'm a fucking Jailkeeper.

Town on my wagon are terribad/lazy.

I jailed Taly N1. I've been crumbing all Day long. Maybe some quieter people have picked up on it, but surely nobody voting me.

VOTE: Galron is lockscum. Titus probably scum, her play is unforgivable as town.

Obviously if someone quickhammers me here shoot/lim them tomorrow.

This game gives me a headache, I'm taking a rest for the night.
I thought I was lazy. I'm unforgivable now?

Wow.
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Post Post #1430 (ISO) » Wed Jan 19, 2022 2:33 pm

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In post 1426, Titus wrote:
In post 1420, House wrote:Stop undermining my scumread, Scorpious!
Where did you crumb?
In bed, now I have to wash the sheets.

Guess I should stick to eating in the dining room.
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Post Post #1431 (ISO) » Wed Jan 19, 2022 2:37 pm

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In post 1296, ɀefiend wrote:
In post 1293, Enchant wrote:
In post 1291, ɀefiend wrote:
In post 1274, Enchant wrote:
In post 1271, ɀefiend wrote: This would tell scum (1) that there's a protective role and (2) that the protective role targeted person X
It doesh't make House more townie or more mafia (atleast this exact argument), because mafia already knows what happened fully. They of course can and will try to pass it as notinformed, but most likely they simple trying to not talk about this at all, to not give hints and attention.

Like why scumread someone for giving information to mafia, because if they are mafia they kinda already know and thus every other mafia member will know as well. There's no benifit in telling.


Also wtf there's literally... Well ok, two outcomes, first is where Cheeky roleblocked and second where she visited Ascetic. We can't do anything with that.
You're wrong on both counts.

Mafia don't necessarily have all information.

Those are not the only two possible outcomes.
Okay.

Tell me others?
If you read the thread mastina posted three possibilities.

There are more beyond that.
In post 1291, ɀefiend wrote:
In post 1274, Enchant wrote:
In post 1271, ɀefiend wrote: This would tell scum (1) that there's a protective role and (2) that the protective role targeted person X
It doesh't make House more townie or more mafia (atleast this exact argument), because mafia already knows what happened fully. They of course can and will try to pass it as notinformed, but most likely they simple trying to not talk about this at all, to not give hints and attention.

Like why scumread someone for giving information to mafia, because if they are mafia they kinda already know and thus every other mafia member will know as well. There's no benifit in telling.


Also wtf there's literally... Well ok, two outcomes, first is where Cheeky roleblocked and second where she visited Ascetic. We can't do anything with that.
You're wrong on both counts.

Mafia don't necessarily have all information.

Those are not the only two possible outcomes.
In post 1271, ɀefiend wrote:Some reads:
- Taly is town
- Dwlee could be scum
- Scorpious could be scum, but not with House
- Flea gets +town points for standing up to mastina
- mastina gets -town points b/c of what Flea said
- If mastina is scum then Galron probably is too
- Greeting is null
- Enchant I hope is just bad town (like me)
- Titus is null

A lot of the reads were shaped in large part by House. Which had me strongly town-reading him. Until this post:
In post 1254, House wrote:
@mod
: do you treat kills performed on a Hider's target as being copied onto the Hider, rather than having the Hider's death trigger off the death of the hidee?

(The wiki mentions that some mods do this, which could be informative if that's the case because a protected Hider target would not protect the Hider)
I find this question very, very curious.

If it were the case, I agree it would be informative - but to who?

Suppose that it were the case that person X was protected and Cheeky visited person X. Then if scum attempted to kill person X, the kill would be "copied" onto Cheeky, explaining how they died.

This would tell scum (1) that there's a protective role and (2) that the protective role targeted person X

But it would tell town, in-game-thread, absolutely nothing.

Please explain how your question was meant to be informative or helpful to town. Because it smells like role/info-fishing as scum.
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Post Post #1432 (ISO) » Wed Jan 19, 2022 2:39 pm

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Why the unvote? I don't get it.
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Post Post #1433 (ISO) » Wed Jan 19, 2022 2:40 pm

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VOTE: scorpious
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Post Post #1434 (ISO) » Wed Jan 19, 2022 2:41 pm

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In post 1432, Titus wrote:Why the unvote? I don't get it.
His crumbs are there. I'm not thrilled with him, but another night with a JK would be fine. He'll just get NK'd.
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Post Post #1435 (ISO) » Wed Jan 19, 2022 2:42 pm

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If he's alive tomorrow, we kill him then.
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Post Post #1436 (ISO) » Wed Jan 19, 2022 2:42 pm

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I may defer to your logic though.
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Post Post #1437 (ISO) » Wed Jan 19, 2022 2:42 pm

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Why jail me?
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Post Post #1438 (ISO) » Wed Jan 19, 2022 2:43 pm

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Bolded yellow parts are crumbing/explaining my progression toDay:

Posting the answer to "what happened at night" as a question:
In post 972, ɀefiend wrote:Damn, how am I always in danger of getting prodded? Feel kinda bad, since there's so many cool players in this one.

What if the person Cheeky tried to hide at wasn't available?
Like a Commuter or something? Wouldn't Cheeky just "stay home" then?

Not sure how RB fits into the equation at all.


I'ma sit back and wait for mastina to explain.

Don't feel like responding to the votes on me directly, but I will say: Yes I'm hardly active and coasting but I am in fact reading the game. I just haven't had more than like 30 minutes at a time to dedicate to gathering reads.
I'm obviously very interested in House's answer
as the person responsible for the protection
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In post 1271, ɀefiend wrote:Some reads:
- Taly is town
- Dwlee could be scum
- Scorpious could be scum, but not with House
- Flea gets +town points for standing up to mastina
- mastina gets -town points b/c of what Flea said
- If mastina is scum then Galron probably is too
- Greeting is null
- Enchant I hope is just bad town (like me)
- Titus is null

A lot of the reads were shaped in large part by House. Which had me strongly town-reading him. Until this post:
In post 1254, House wrote:
@mod
: do you treat kills performed on a Hider's target as being copied onto the Hider, rather than having the Hider's death trigger off the death of the hidee?

(The wiki mentions that some mods do this, which could be informative if that's the case because a protected Hider target would not protect the Hider)
I find this question very, very curious.


If it were the case, I agree it would be informative - but to who?

Suppose that it were the case that person X was protected and Cheeky visited person X. Then if scum attempted to kill person X, the kill would be "copied" onto Cheeky, explaining how they died.

This would tell scum (1) that there's a protective role and (2) that the protective role targeted person X

But it would tell town, in-game-thread, absolutely nothing.

Please explain how your question was meant to be informative or helpful to town. Because it smells like role/info-fishing as scum.

Because I have some information, and because I know the most likely outcome of all:
In post 1291, ɀefiend wrote:
In post 1274, Enchant wrote:
In post 1271, ɀefiend wrote: This would tell scum (1) that there's a protective role and (2) that the protective role targeted person X
It doesh't make House more townie or more mafia (atleast this exact argument), because mafia already knows what happened fully. They of course can and will try to pass it as notinformed, but most likely they simple trying to not talk about this at all, to not give hints and attention.

Like why scumread someone for giving information to mafia, because if they are mafia they kinda already know and thus every other mafia member will know as well. There's no benifit in telling.


Also wtf there's literally... Well ok, two outcomes, first is where Cheeky roleblocked and second where she visited Ascetic. We can't do anything with that.
You're wrong on both counts.

Mafia don't necessarily have all information.

Those are not the only two possible outcomes.

In post 1296, ɀefiend wrote:
In post 1293, Enchant wrote:
In post 1291, ɀefiend wrote:
In post 1274, Enchant wrote:
In post 1271, ɀefiend wrote: This would tell scum (1) that there's a protective role and (2) that the protective role targeted person X
It doesh't make House more townie or more mafia (atleast this exact argument), because mafia already knows what happened fully. They of course can and will try to pass it as notinformed, but most likely they simple trying to not talk about this at all, to not give hints and attention.

Like why scumread someone for giving information to mafia, because if they are mafia they kinda already know and thus every other mafia member will know as well. There's no benifit in telling.


Also wtf there's literally... Well ok, two outcomes, first is where Cheeky roleblocked and second where she visited Ascetic. We can't do anything with that.
You're wrong on both counts.

Mafia don't necessarily have all information.

Those are not the only two possible outcomes.
Okay.

Tell me others?
If you read the thread mastina posted three possibilities.

There are more beyond that.
Explicitly stating my town-read on Taly and making it painfully obvious that they were my target N1 should I ever die:
In post 1416, ɀefiend wrote:-snip-

Because your vote, while misplaced, is well-intentioned. I have been slacking this game and probably did deserve some votes but now that I am picking it up in gear and making an effort I want to engage with people who are actively solving the game - i.e. you, Greeting, sometimes Dwlee, sometimes mastina, maybe Flea, and ALMOST House until he ruined it with that question.

Actively solving is not the only reason I'm townreading you
NOR is actively solving = town-read from me. For you specifically, it's your tone and intention I am keen on town-reading you.
And while I could see an intention of rolefishing i always get the impression scum will just ask spec questions in a PT or PM. At least that's what I do to not get attention brought to how I think about mechanics.
There could be other reasons for House's post but I would rather he face the music himself instead of getting bailed out by others.

In post 1295, ɀefiend wrote:
In post 1279, House wrote:VOTE: zefiend

I hadn't considered the possibility Taly might be Ascetic. Nice catch.

Taly, I'll quote it after work
Answer the question or eat rope.

VOTE: House
Kind of want to hear a genuine reply from
House
too though but I also think he's given his reply enough.

Also agree with
Titus
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Because I don't hand out town-reads like candy and
trust me, I have good reasons for town-reading you
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In post 1296, ɀefiend wrote:
In post 1293, Enchant wrote:
In post 1291, ɀefiend wrote:
In post 1274, Enchant wrote:
In post 1271, ɀefiend wrote: This would tell scum (1) that there's a protective role and (2) that the protective role targeted person X
It doesh't make House more townie or more mafia (atleast this exact argument), because mafia already knows what happened fully. They of course can and will try to pass it as notinformed, but most likely they simple trying to not talk about this at all, to not give hints and attention.

Like why scumread someone for giving information to mafia, because if they are mafia they kinda already know and thus every other mafia member will know as well. There's no benifit in telling.


Also wtf there's literally... Well ok, two outcomes, first is where Cheeky roleblocked and second where she visited Ascetic. We can't do anything with that.
You're wrong on both counts.

Mafia don't necessarily have all information.

Those are not the only two possible outcomes.
Okay.

Tell me others?
If you read the thread mastina posted three possibilities.

There are more beyond that.
Where are you going with this conversation
zefiend
?
Apparently nowhere but I did want to make it clear what I think of people's speccing/fishing when it is wrong/bad.
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Post Post #1439 (ISO) » Wed Jan 19, 2022 2:44 pm

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Well, zefiend getting all salty about me does make sense, now.

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Post Post #1440 (ISO) » Wed Jan 19, 2022 2:45 pm

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Oh shit, jailkeep protects its target too?
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Post Post #1441 (ISO) » Wed Jan 19, 2022 2:46 pm

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Was I the target of 3 actions last night wtf
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Post Post #1442 (ISO) » Wed Jan 19, 2022 2:47 pm

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In post 1440, Taly wrote:Oh shit, jailkeep protects its target too?
Yes.

Otherwise, it's called a roleblocker.
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Post Post #1443 (ISO) » Wed Jan 19, 2022 2:52 pm

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This game is becoming a bit of a nightmare to me at the moment.
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Post Post #1444 (ISO) » Wed Jan 19, 2022 2:53 pm

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Step away and map it out.
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Post Post #1445 (ISO) » Wed Jan 19, 2022 2:55 pm

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In post 1437, Taly wrote:Why jail me?
Idk I was late submitting and although hardly active Day 1 I seemed to recall you were widely TR by people. Plus you're a vocal power player so a good target regardless.

Now I really gotta go so enjoy the shitshow til I get back.
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Post Post #1446 (ISO) » Wed Jan 19, 2022 2:59 pm

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In post 1271, ɀefiend wrote:Some reads:
- Taly is town
- Dwlee could be scum
- Scorpious could be scum, but not with House
- Flea gets +town points for standing up to mastina
- mastina gets -town points b/c of what Flea said
- If mastina is scum then Galron probably is too
- Greeting is null
- Enchant I hope is just bad town (like me)
- Titus is null
Zefiend, how do you go from this 32 hours ago to me lockscum without metioning me in-between?
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Post Post #1447 (ISO) » Wed Jan 19, 2022 3:00 pm

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I'm going to assume
Cheeky
was an intentional NK unless more conflicting information comes. Shelving all speculation there.

Galron
is just very protown in by helping me here.

zefiend
seems consistent mech wise but JK is a decent mafia fakeclaim. So I don't want to speed a lim here if it comes to this, I need to look at their play specifically.

Hell I wonder how much of my view of this game changes with
zefiend
-town.
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Post Post #1448 (ISO) » Wed Jan 19, 2022 3:00 pm

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Problem is, Cheeky STILL makes no sense as a NK.

Taly? Sure. Cheeky? Not even a little bit.
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Post Post #1449 (ISO) » Wed Jan 19, 2022 3:00 pm

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In post 1445, ɀefiend wrote:
In post 1437, Taly wrote:Why jail me?
Idk I was late submitting and although hardly active Day 1 I seemed to recall you were widely TR by people. Plus you're a vocal power player so a good target regardless.

Now I really gotta go so enjoy the shitshow til I get back.
Thanks for the ego stroke I guess lol
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