Open 839: White flag Holder [Game Over]

[MathBlade]

Whoops I meant @HarleyQuinn on the question I was reading Looker’s posts and said the wrong name

[Dwlee99]

That was sarcasm :I

[MegAzumarill]

*pokes voyc*

[Harley Quinn]

I never voteparked or even ever voted Dwlee, that was my predecessor.

Spoiler: You're right - I can't find it in your ISO, but votecount says it's you (I don't like that)

Harley Quinn replaces DArby

Vote Count 1.04

With 14 votes in play, it takes 8 to eliminate.


RH9 (4): MegAzumarill, Blood Puppets, datsi, numberQ,
Milk & Mocha (3): Toogeloo, Three, Dwlee99,
Not_Mafia (2): Not_Mafia, ahhlo,
Dwlee99 (1): Harley Quinn,
Three (1): Milk & Mocha,
Toogeloo (1): Andante,
Harley Quinn (1): marcistar,
Andante (0):
numberQ (0):
marcistar (0):
Blood Puppets (0):
ahhlo (0):
datsi (0):
MegAzumarill (0):

Not Voting

(1): RH9,

Deadline:

(expired on 2021-12-24 15:00:00).

I guess this also explains the marcistar vote - they voted for darby

VOTE: darby

I guess it's 50/50 whether there's automatic replacement unvote

When did marci replace out? She never did either one of those things.

That's why I crossed out the replacement part because I was confusing marci with Andante.

What does either Andante replacing out and or her replacement being the nk have anything to do with either me or Dwlee?

Only person to vote Voyc was Andante, who replaced out and then died, despite Dwlee and Harley saying they want Voyc out.

I think I want to vote out Voyc.

I’m down with either but currently leaning Voyc

These are later in the game than I initially interpreted. I initially interpreted these as you having wanted Voyc out before today.

So I guess that’s my list then Meg, I’m liking Dwlee and Q’s posts the best today. I’ve been tr Meg allgame but her recent posts are making me question that, so that’s currently where I am.

Your points are valid, but I still want Dwlee because you guys haven't eliminated scum all game (so a change in game leadership is required), and Dwlee not replacing makes me think they're scum enjoying a hard-earned victory (especially with the "I'm too incompetent to be NK'd" and "I'm doing absolutely nothing to solve").

Based off tone and relaxed posts (also votes within the game), I feel it's Harley, Voyc and Dwlee (could replace Dwlee with MegaZoom, but I feel more toward Dwlee). Galron went v/la as scum last game, so I'm kind of suspicious of that as well (I know, it's an insult, but I'm being honest). Only person to vote Harley was marcistar, who

replaced out and then

died. Harley's the only one to votepark Dwlee. Only person to vote Voyc was Andante, who replaced out and then died, despite Dwlee and Harley saying they want Voyc out. Kinda skimming, so let me know what I've missed or am missing.

Can confirm Galron also went V/LA in a game I was scum with them in but it was for valid reasons. Not sure how that matters as I don’t see Galron in the active player list or replacement list?

I don't trust players who go V/LA but then post when it's strategically convenient for them. They shield behind "O I was busy - V/LA" when you need them for something, but then pop in to defend themselves. It just seems they get to shirk responsibility and I've seen it exploited before.

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Glad that Mathblade replaced in; I like their posts.

I don’t understand why you’re even mentioning Galron. Maybe I should reconsider my Dwlee read Idk. Math replace in clearly changed my PoE.

[Harley Quinn]

I'm also confused regarding the advantage of no-elimming yesterday, but I'm assuming that's because town collectively distrusted their ability to find scum? The only PR I see is IC and I don't see how that role is benefited by a no-elim (as opposed to a Cop/roleblocker, etc).

Because it was melo.

[Harley Quinn]

Whoops I meant @HarleyQuinn on the question I was reading Looker’s posts and said the wrong name

Are you saying my fake vote should be on Dwlee or Q?

[MegAzumarill]

I'm also confused regarding the advantage of no-elimming yesterday, but I'm assuming that's because town collectively distrusted their ability to find scum? The only PR I see is IC and I don't see how that role is benefited by a no-elim (as opposed to a Cop/roleblocker, etc).

Because it was melo.

Furthermore because there is one less possible mislim for today to the same amount of scum, it increases the EV of town

[Harley Quinn]

Why are you so focused on defense rather than offense?
If my theory is wrong everyone will laugh and go “ha ha it’s math”

Why not push Voyc or whoever you scumread? If you are town then I’d follow.

Cause I don't have an amazing case on voyc. I'm evaluating still

You can be town and wrong so yea I'm gonna defend

Why are you so focused on defense rather than offense?
If my theory is wrong everyone will laugh and go “ha ha it’s math”

Why not push Voyc or whoever you scumread? If you are town then I’d follow.

Cause I don't have an amazing case on voyc. I'm evaluating still

You can be town and wrong so yea I'm gonna defend

Then what are you doing to solve the game?

Absolutely nothing

Damn the contradiction is strong with this enby.

@Looker why are you ignoring the Jester wagon after saying you liked my posts? The reason I say this is because your fake vote is off wagon.

Math I meant I changed my read on your slot because I liked your posts.

[Harley Quinn]

I think I'll live into tomorrow just cause pooky wants to fuck with me

@Meg:
No scum dead.
Tunneling the jester
Making excuses why not shot when it’s a vanilla game
Choosing to sheep the jester over town when there’s no PRs.

I would expect at least one scum on the jester so Imho elimming outside of Dwlee/Numbers/me is a bad elim. (I am town but technically should be in that PoE from an undecided perspective)

Like Dwlee knows the point I am making when I said it earlier and then tries to then suggest my own point is bad yet they take the time to suggest why they aren’t shot?

Like that’s hella bad and they know it.

I don't think we should lim M&M anymore, not yet anyway

Like it’s even more sus they don’t want to elim NumberQ.

They want credit for the elim on Milk but yet don’t sus those who distanced. It’s weird.

I see your argument, so I’m going to re-ISO both Dwlee and Q. I do agree with you that it’s extremely likely that at least one scum was on jester.

[MathBlade]

Whoops I meant @HarleyQuinn on the question I was reading Looker’s posts and said the wrong name

Are you saying my fake vote should be on Dwlee or Q?

I am saying that if you want to fake vote outside of Dwlee/Q you need a damn good case because to me it’s at worst a 50/50 and at best we get a scum either way.

However if you put me in the PoE it’s 1/3rd odds.

So if you want Looker or VoyC you need to explain to me why the wagon on the Jester was all town and why that person is scum. It’s a pretty tall order. I am not saying that Looker/Voyc are town or scum, far from it. If we had a miselim left I might pressure vote but we don’t. So I would rather vote where we have the most probable scum and pray for mod prods.

[MegAzumarill]

Voyc is most likely scum because they've failed to make an effort to solve the game at all

of dwlee/Q I'd vote Q but I'd rather send a different slot.

Even if 1 or dwlee/Q is scum that means fmpov the other 4 slots are also 50/50 so I don't see why it's better to eliminate in the two rather than outside of it. That said I also don't see why it couldn't be possible for all scum to be off wagon.

[Dwlee99]

All scum could certainly be off wagon and I'm thinking mathblade might be scum for forcing this dichotomy

[MegAzumarill]

I get vibes of that but I don't think scum would bring that much attention to themselves in melo like this. It'd be a gambit to be sure. It really just gives me more reason to think voyc is scum because I don't see a scum!Math ever doing this if voyc is actually town.

[Dwlee99]

I also still don't understand how to reconcile FB's fake IC claim

I think...

0-1 scum in FB/HQ

2-3 scum in

Voyc, Looker, MegAzumarill, numberQ,

Voyc is literally just the scummiest in that group

[MathBlade]

All scum could certainly be off wagon and I'm thinking mathblade might be scum for forcing this dichotomy

Again you prove my point you’re not reading.

Toog was also on the jester wagon.

If you want to argue I am idiot town and all scum are off wagon then feel free. It’s possible just not probable.
But if you want to argue that I am scum then you need to argue why I suggest this as scum when it narrows the PoE.

Based on responses if Dwlee is scum then Meg or Q are. I don’t see a Dwlee/Meg/Q with that response.

And I would find town more likely to be dejected than scum based on this. So I would argue the more active players > rand have a scum.

[MathBlade]

The responses though make me feel it’s Dwlee + Meg + 1 and they planned to miselim Voyc.

[MathBlade]

Unless Meg is like “if I have to bus I pick Q”….

Looker (0): >> Prob doesn’t try for Dwlee as scum.
Voyc (0): >> Inactive could be either way but > rand town
Mathblade (0): me town.
numberQ (0):
Dwlee99 (0):
Harley Quinn (0): Townie vibes
MegAzumarill (0):

This kinda leaves Dwlee Number and Meg.

Can someone please validate my thoughts and see if I am wrong somewhere?
Someone other than Dwlee Number or Meg.

[MathBlade]

All scum could certainly be off wagon and I'm thinking mathblade might be scum for forcing this dichotomy

Again you prove my point you’re not reading.

Toog was also on the jester wagon.

If you want to argue I am idiot town and all scum are off wagon then feel free. It’s possible just not probable.
But if you want to argue that I am scum then you need to argue why I suggest this as scum when it narrows the PoE.

Based on responses if Dwlee is scum then Meg or Q are. I don’t see a Dwlee/Meg/Q with that response.

And I would find town more likely to be dejected than scum based on this. So I would argue the more active players > rand have a scum.

Just realized this isn’t clear.

Toog (who I and Fire replaced) was on the jester wagon.

You arguing 0 scum on it is kinda TMI.

[MathBlade]

Makes me think you’re doing the newbie trick I teach to treat your buddies like masons, that there is no one you want to elim there

[MathBlade]

Vote Count 3.02

With 10 votes in play, it takes 6 to eliminate.

Milk & Mocha (6): Dwlee99, Firebringer, numberQ, Three, Enchant, Milk & Mocha,
Alyssa The Lamb (0):
Three (0):
Voyc (0):
Enchant (0):
Firebringer (0):
numberQ (0):
Dwlee99 (0):
Harley Quinn (0):
MegAzumarill (0):

Not Voting

(4): Voyc, MegAzumarill, Alyssa The Lamb, Harley Quinn,

Deadline:

(expired on 2022-01-17 14:55:06)

Harley Quinn is on V/LA

There’s the wagon if anyone needs it.

[MathBlade]

Got the order of replace backwards but the point is there. I = FB was on wagon

[Dwlee99]

You should know from opossum that I don't "treat my buddies like masons." It's something house complained about to me in the mafia thread

[Dwlee99]

All scum could certainly be off wagon and I'm thinking mathblade might be scum for forcing this dichotomy

Again you prove my point you’re not reading.

Toog was also on the jester wagon.

If you want to argue I am idiot town and all scum are off wagon then feel free. It’s possible just not probable.
But if you want to argue that I am scum then you need to argue why I suggest this as scum when it narrows the PoE.

Based on responses if Dwlee is scum then Meg or Q are. I don’t see a Dwlee/Meg/Q with that response.

And I would find town more likely to be dejected than scum based on this. So I would argue the more active players > rand have a scum.

Just realized this isn’t clear.

Toog (who I and Fire replaced) was on the jester wagon.

You arguing 0 scum on it is kinda TMI.

Could be. Not TMI to suggest something that pooky himself suggested (scum avoiding this wagon like the plague)

I bet probably one scum on that wagon at MOST. So this "there has to be scum on wagon" is just dumb. You claim 50/50 if we kill in there, I don't agree. Looking at the actual wagon, me, you, and number are all on there. If one scum that's one in three if there's 1 scum in the wagon, which is worse than random (50/50 cause we won't lim IC cause they reveal if fake voted)

[MathBlade]

All scum could certainly be off wagon and I'm thinking mathblade might be scum for forcing this dichotomy

Again you prove my point you’re not reading.

Toog was also on the jester wagon.

If you want to argue I am idiot town and all scum are off wagon then feel free. It’s possible just not probable.
But if you want to argue that I am scum then you need to argue why I suggest this as scum when it narrows the PoE.

Based on responses if Dwlee is scum then Meg or Q are. I don’t see a Dwlee/Meg/Q with that response.

And I would find town more likely to be dejected than scum based on this. So I would argue the more active players > rand have a scum.

Just realized this isn’t clear.

Toog (who I and Fire replaced) was on the jester wagon.

You arguing 0 scum on it is kinda TMI.

Could be. Not TMI to suggest something that pooky himself suggested (scum avoiding this wagon like the plague)

I bet probably one scum on that wagon at MOST. So this "there has to be scum on wagon" is just dumb. You claim 50/50 if we kill in there, I don't agree. Looking at the actual wagon, me, you, and number are all on there. If one scum that's one in three if there's 1 scum in the wagon, which is worse than random (50/50 cause we won't lim IC cause they reveal if fake voted)

Lol Enby doesn’t treat themselves as town lol

If you were town it would be a scum at most between Q/me which would be a 50/50 shot.

And IC I think should reveal and take control of the day tbh. I understand there’s differing opinions so I will leave it there.

I think it’s pretty clear you’re scum. You’re not able to put yourself as town in a hypothetical.

[Dwlee99]

dude are you for real