open 841: concgratulations to the winners and losers

[Datisi]

VOTE: andante

yeah actually doesn't make any sense at all. you don't get that pissed off at the person you're scumreading saying "if you're town", especially considering she didn't get anywhere close to that pissed off when people actually voted her

i'll think about it in the morning but i'm parking here for the night, see ya

[Andante]

VOTE: Kaiji

lol yeah I was gonna say 1 more thing, when I saw the list you made, I was like, hold up, Kaj is maf, I 1000% sr them cause of the "well if andante is red, all these people town" stuff, like, nsg wasn't towny, so we have mena, kaj, and a 3rd but yes, I sr kaj, it hard remembering people in a game

[Alyssa The Lamb]

okay guys, I'll just say this again

why does scum

1. Kill midwaybear, a slot that was widely enough scumread to specifically be looked to clear through another known PR
2. Have the slot designated to clear them not claim to have tracked them doing exactly what they were supposed to do, and instead claim to track someone completely different and give information that we otherwise wouldn't have
3. Not use tonight, with the doctor leashed onto another target, to kill somebody else that is more likely to have a TPR and/or is more widely townread and/or is a higher threat to scum directly

this entire chain of events assumes the scumteam is stupid

and this playerlist has too many players that are objectively way better at scum than that

[Andante]

i find it kind of fake that you would get *that* offended at me implying you're not town when (1) you have been saying you were gonna die from d1 and now it's d3 and you're still around, (2) you just admitted to going against essentially cop-checking a scummy slot, (3) you literally said you think i'm scum

uh what? this is me? who I am... literally nothing I've even done here has been fake, are you just mad I called you maf? like, idk what I did to make you mad.. IM SORRY!!! PLZ DON'T BE MAD AT ME...

ughhh I just need a break, this isn't gonna work at all.

Dats. I am town. I've been trying to the best of MY ABILITIES all game. Sorry I'm trash at playing? I'm literally just trying my best, tried to track for maf last night, not sure how it's such a controversial take.
I thought tracker would be fun, but this game is a freaking nightmare, had I know this was how all this worked, I'd have asked to be VT or like picked a high number, cause this is.. no thanks...

[Datisi]

okay guys, I'll just say this again

why does scum

1. Kill midwaybear, a slot that was widely enough scumread to specifically be looked to clear through another known PR
2. Have the slot designated to clear them not claim to have tracked them doing exactly what they were supposed to do, and instead claim to track someone completely different and give information that we otherwise wouldn't have
3. Not use tonight, with the doctor leashed onto another target, to kill somebody else that is more likely to have a TPR and/or is more widely townread and/or is a higher threat to scum directly

this entire chain of events assumes the scumteam is stupid

and this playerlist has too many players that are objectively way better at scum than that

do you mind actually explaining how this is leading you to your reads, or?

[Alyssa The Lamb]

that's why Andante is town

the rest of my townreads are independent

[Alyssa The Lamb]

I will give you one thing though

I don't buy for a second that Mare doesn't neighborize night one as scum unless she isn't a neighborizer

and considering that we have outside confirmation that neighborizer is taken, that means another neighborizer is out there somewhere

[Alyssa The Lamb]

and considering that we have outside confirmation that neighborizer is taken, that means another neighborizer is out there somewhere

ftr, Flow Trap also tried to pick up neighborizer

So unless you think all three of us claiming neighborizer pick are scum, then Mare is neighborizer

[Alyssa The Lamb]

oops

unless all three of us are scum, then there is a neighborizer out there

[Datisi]

instead claim to track someone completely different and give information that we otherwise wouldn't have

what information, that the bottom of the draft didn't go anywhere? if andante is scum, it's not like it's some ground breaking info they're giving us

[Datisi]

and considering that we have outside confirmation that neighborizer is taken, that means another neighborizer is out there somewhere

ftr, Flow Trap also tried to pick up neighborizer

So unless you think all three of us claiming neighborizer pick are scum, then Mare is neighborizer

i think mare is neighborizer because she neighborized me last night, and this whole neighborizer discussion is going way over my head

[Alyssa The Lamb]

okay

feel free to tell me why scum would kill the person she's meant to track and then have her draw attention to herself by not confirming the information she was specifically told to confirm

[Alyssa The Lamb]

and considering that we have outside confirmation that neighborizer is taken, that means another neighborizer is out there somewhere

ftr, Flow Trap also tried to pick up neighborizer

So unless you think all three of us claiming neighborizer pick are scum, then Mare is neighborizer

i think mare is neighborizer because she neighborized me last night, and this whole neighborizer discussion is going way over my head

then you should know better than anyone that Mare should be straight up town because of that

because do you really think she doesn't neighborize night one as scum

[Datisi]

because it makes people think "why would scum do that?"

like, if midway is dead, it essentially makes no difference whether andante claims to have tracked him or tracked s_s, neither give town any useful info. the only thing that changes is the people's reaction to it. and if she/her teammates thought that this town was likely to say "well if she was scum, she would've just claimed that she tracked midway!!" then she suddenly has a lot of incentive to claim it.

i could be projecting here, but i sometimes do attention-grabbing nonsense as scum PURELY because i know towns often go "but why would scum do that???" so that's not exactly an angle you're going to convince me with unless you show me why andante specifically wouldn't do it

[Datisi]

because do you really think she doesn't neighborize night one as scum

idk, probably not

[skitter30]

P sure someone on the scumteam would have pointed that out to her tho, no?

Well it seems to not be accurate, so maybe not.

?

Pedit same - literally all of the eod1 candisates have flipped town now, except for her

@alyssa what was happeneing eod1 from ur pov

Plz when u have a chance

[skitter30]

Also fwiw alyssa i'm somewhat dubious that ur slot picked neighborizer

[Alyssa The Lamb]

because it makes people think "why would scum do that?"

like, if midway is dead, it essentially makes no difference whether andante claims to have tracked him or tracked s_s, neither give town any useful info. the only thing that changes is the people's reaction to it. and if she/her teammates thought that this town was likely to say "well if she was scum, she would've just claimed that she tracked midway!!" then she suddenly has a lot of incentive to claim it.

i could be projecting here, but i sometimes do attention-grabbing nonsense as scum PURELY because i know towns often go "but why would scum do that???" so that's not exactly an angle you're going to convince me with unless you show me why andante specifically wouldn't do it

is that really the strongest option scum have right now

I'm very hesitant to ever call this a strong option when town pretty clearly is not nailing scum to the wall

[Alyssa The Lamb]

P sure someone on the scumteam would have pointed that out to her tho, no?

Well it seems to not be accurate, so maybe not.

?

Pedit same - literally all of the eod1 candisates have flipped town now, except for her

@alyssa what was happeneing eod1 from ur pov

Plz when u have a chance

idk, which slots were the most active during the scramble again

[Datisi]

I'm very hesitant to ever call this a strong option when town pretty clearly is not nailing scum to the wall

so the scumteam with andante on it just lets midway get conftowned instead? idgi

[Alyssa The Lamb]

well obviously not if they're also killing him

[Alyssa The Lamb]

I don't see a scumteam drawing attention to themselves when they're winning as it is

that's just asking for town to randomly obvtown themselves and potentially swing the game away from the direction it was going in

[skitter30]

P sure someone on the scumteam would have pointed that out to her tho, no?

Well it seems to not be accurate, so maybe not.

?

Pedit same - literally all of the eod1 candisates have flipped town now, except for her

@alyssa what was happeneing eod1 from ur pov

Plz when u have a chance

idk, which slots were the most active during the scramble again

Me andante faker iv and the potentjal flip options were u cakez midway sleepless, all of whom are town. ..

[Alyssa The Lamb]

then look at the slots that did nothing

[Alyssa The Lamb]

ngl I think that borderline confscums Menalque