open 841: concgratulations to the winners and losers

[catboi]

I see no point in voting andante today and it shouldn't even be discussed

[catboi]

Actually

please be careful with your votes

if scum have the N3 vig today is functional MELO

[Alyssa The Lamb]

eh actually I skimmed a couple things and I no longer think that's a very strong read

scum were most likely just hard camping sleepless if I had to guess

[skitter30]

tbh that's what makes me sus of nsg/kaiji's slot ...

the other camping-y slots are mena/catboi
(and andante but tbh despite it all i still think she's town)

[catboi]

I am insanely scared now that menalque is just the designated mislim that scum have been sparing for days to kill later and that was what drove the vote onto cakez yesterday but absolutely cannot justify him being anywhere near ELO the way things are going

[catboi]

I also don't think there's a world where skitter's town here

[skitter30]

i'm just gonna call out the irony after slaughterhouse (and i think prism's prob cackling at that statement in the dead pt) but lmk if there's anything u want me to address

[catboi]

For what it's worth I think neighborizer is a straight up worthless role as scum and would sooner chew on glass than voluntarily subject myself to playing it again

That goes double for when it's not an anonymous game and I'm going to get reflexively fear-read

If you want to argue I'm lying about my role go nuts but as scum I'd just wait patiently and claim a PR here

[skitter30]

yeah i mean if you're scum you didn't pick neighborizer

why did town-you want it?

[catboi]

I figured the better roles would likely get taken so I picked something assuming I'd actually have a chance to get it (I did not read the last iteration where a bunch of people tried to take it apparently)

[catboi]

That was also the entire reason I believed Mare's claim because I knew there had to be a neighborizer above me

[Andante]

mena wagon mena wagon mena wagon

mena wagon mena wagon mena wagon

[skitter30]

if town continues exactly like this and it's not like, exactly mwb/catboi/cakez or something then yes big trouble

but with the PRs doing something and that being broadly correct then even if today/tomo are mislims there's still time to turn it around

Mena whats ur solve now ?

[Kaiji]

Actually

please be careful with your votes

if scum have the N3 vig today is functional MELO

UNVOTE:

good point

also would u like to bounce ideas off sometime this weekend, I am simply descending more into being lost here.


I think I do agree I need to face the facts and realize that there is much evidence pointing to skitter scum -> wrt their draft placement and them not dying, every other role but vig and cop being accounted for and skitter not claiming any results(and clearly not having checked me here), faker being dead n1 and the n1 double death being 100% from a scum vig(i still clowned on andante being possible town vig rofl)


I also now am going back and finding it odd that SS is offering no suspicion of Skitter when, as a mech crutchy player, it goes to reason that SS should be all over skitter for being in the draft spot they are and not being targeted at all and a scum vig being unresolved yet. They say andante is scum here for targeting outside -> but now what?




I think this game is tough because scum are doing effective distancing play and such that makes it hard to read holistically for a solve as you find 2 people independently scummy but their distancing is effective so it makes you reeval to them town which is the type of brainwaves ive been doing.


I *do* want to figure out why scum really wanted IV dead though. Because that was quite an absurd kill honestly.



my brain is actually considering Andante/Skitter/SS because of how linked they are but that reasoning got me midway as scum so i'm pensive about that.


Alyssa I really want to trust my read there still.

catboi I remembered I had good reasoning to keep him as town - if im wrong then f u gira im never trusting that kinda tell again and BoPing you forever

mena play the game challenge but also pooky x cakez was TvT imo so we can chill w that for now


mare being confirmed neighborizer 100% is +town there ?


datisi is just an easy read lol

um did i forget anyone



andante/SS/skitter would also nullify the "uninformed" thing i thought skitter had as that is the only scum composition that would leave skitter ignorant of the thing i thought was town indicative for any other team -> bar menalque being slotted into there.


dunno
spewing thoughts


if ppl think im somehow still scum here, I have given way too many opinions to feasibly do that + put myself on the line in places i had no need to when NSG slot was already widely at least null-town read from what i can see


ye ye

[Alyssa The Lamb]

didn't you lock that townread on me when you were high or something

I don't remember you ever explaining that and I'm pretty certain that was before any point that I'd consider myself as having distinctly left my scumrange

[Kaiji]

didn't you lock that townread on me when you were high or something

I don't remember you ever explaining that and I'm pretty certain that was before any point that I'd consider myself as having distinctly left my scumrange

i didnt use meta to sort you so a bit of a null point to bring up your scumrange

[Kaiji]

i think ive dug my brain into a hole thinking wise for this game and im stuck on some line of thinking that prevents me from solving because i keep reading and even what i feel is the only viable solve atp feels *wrong* because of d1 interactiosn between those 3



like holy shit whoever is scum is playing v well and im not even trying to find all 3 scum rn im mainly trying to just find that *1* flip to crack the game open

[Datisi]

i woke up much earlier than i need to, i will UNVOTE: bc not sure if i still wanna be voting there ig also potential yelo, i am going back to sleep now

[Alyssa The Lamb]

I didn't think you did

and that's why I find it odd

[Kaiji]

im gonna i think relook at datisi later to actually make sure im not misreading that slot because that loosens things up a bit in terms of being able to actually have viable solves ?


i need to do like an exercise like trustfalls(listing every reason i feel i should townread a person for everyone and then look at the people who have the weakest reasons overall) at some point

this feels like a "sort people by towniness" game and not "find who's 'scummy'" game

[Kaiji]

I didn't think you did

and that's why I find it odd

considering you have like no meta on me it is odd to me that you are calling it odd


i found the way you were looking at the game and appraoching it similar to mine - except im much more proactive and you are reactive


who would you confidently say is town and would bet your pride on the read?

[Alyssa The Lamb]

people who have next to no knowledge about how I play the game, when experiencing me with a town PM, either hard scumread me or just never really understand how they should be reading me

it's very rare that people hard townread me when I'm not fully engaged into a game without being pretty familiar with how I play the game, which is almost always from players I've played in both a town and a scum hydra with in the past

it's different if the read is mostly based on flow trap, but strong town reads on me at that stage in the game is... at best very odd

[Kaiji]

I didn't think you did

and that's why I find it odd

considering you have like no meta on me it is odd to me that you are calling it odd


i found the way you were looking at the game and appraoching it similar to mine - except im much more proactive and you are reactive

who would you confidently say is town and would bet your pride on the read?

everyone should do the bolded tbh



also hhh my brain keeps wanting to go back to SS/Skitter being paired

[Alyssa The Lamb]

I didn't think you did

and that's why I find it odd

considering you have like no meta on me it is odd to me that you are calling it odd


i found the way you were looking at the game and appraoching it similar to mine - except im much more proactive and you are reactive


who would you confidently say is town and would bet your pride on the read?

I can only answer this in a context of never getting any more flips again

but in that specific context, Andante and Mare

[catboi]

also would u like to bounce ideas off sometime this weekend, I am simply descending more into being lost here.

I can try but for what it's my reads have been bad lately and I'm extremely burnt

catboi I remembered I had good reasoning to keep him as town - if im wrong then f u gira im never trusting that kinda tell again and BoPing you forever

Uh...okay then? Why were you scumreading me in the first place?