open 841: concgratulations to the winners and losers

[catboi]

But further than that, the midwaybear kill is a chaos kill, and generally that type of kill indicates someone on scum is feeling pretty safe in their position

It's also notable I think because from a mechanical perspective, I think the kill points to scum being afraid that midway would be mechanically cleared today and no longer a viable mis-elim. WWhich I think is a pretty good indicator that Andante is town.

But it's also notable in that it shows that scum are absolutely not concerned whatsoever with the possibility of the ascetic cop getting a guilty. And that's a pretty significant thing - my last 3 losses as scum have all been because of me getting mechanically guiltied or POE'd. A cop outing with a guilty or multiple innocents at this stage of the game is potentially game-breaking. But scum very obviously weren't cop hunting with that kill, which means the ascetic cop draft slot is most likely in the hands of scum. And there's really only one person who realistically can have that role. And it's skitter.

i just need to point out how *silly* it would be of me as scum to give a plan that would conftown midway and then kill him because i was scared of conftowning him when i could just, like, not do that and/or flip him ... ?

i think that ascetic cop is either not in the game or scum have it, same with the n3 vig. i think we're basically out of pr's and not gonna be getting much help from them

fwiw if ascetic cop in the game it's probably in the very bottom slots

shrug okay you could easily have thought the blowback from flipping the doctor wouldn't be worth it, I don't know

[catboi]

second paragraph: i think that there are some p clear differences between this and my scumgame, namely:
- i would have ran out of energy nineteen billion years ago as scum: this game is so long, and so ~dragging~ ... even if i were in a winning position i would have a hard time to keep trying to move things along
- similarly/related, scum-me literally doesn't try to make the game moving. scum-me doesn't try to prod people into activity. scum-me isnt' annoyed that nobody is posting for two whole dayphases. scum-me is very much fine that the game is slow. scum-me is very, very, very happy i don't have to continue posting and that the game is going fantastic from scum's pov without me even doing this much. i don't post nearly this much as scum, especially not in a game where scum is winning and scum doesn't *need* me to post as much
- scum-me doesn't care abt prodding people in an eod deadline scramble 2x
- i am flabbergasted why scum-me would propose a plan to conf midway and then just kill him
- scum me actaully probably has some idea as to who to she wants to flip today instead of just going around in circles becuase the game is confusing
- scum-me doesn't start off a hunt for a scum-vig well before anybody else does (and certainly doesn't if it's me ...?)

there's probably more to this that i'll think of as i think about this game
but the first two points are basically how to read me ... the fact that i still have energy and still *care* about trying to win this is not indicative of scum-me at all

You have to be absolutely kidding me with this. The self-meta here is so riduculous, it verges on being parody. Let's break this down.

You claim that, as scum, you would have lost interest in a game that scum are handily winning. Anyone who actually believes this is true ought to retire on the spot. (pooky nearly caught me on this in GB's mini, because I was too motivated and not tilted enough). I don't buy whatsoever that you stop tryign altogether and make it obvious, you can't let it

show

that you're okay with nothing happening, you have to put on an

act

, but for all you're playing up

trying

to get the game moving, you have accomplished exactly

nothing

with it, which is exactly the place where scum wants to be - looking like they're trying without actually accomplishing anything. (This was apparently how I won a game back in the day, because even though I had a somewhat suspect claim, I had been apparently trying to get people to post as part of trying to look town). Again, I don't believe at all that you lay back and do nothing at deadline as scum. That immediate reaction stuff is utterly trivial to fake and completely meaningless in terms of alignment - if we're flipping town both days it's nt like that urgency was at all meaningful.Going around in circles just means people just keep spinning their tires and the town ends up directionless, and you can try to feel out where people are actually willing to vote. At some point it's going to become evident that there's a scum vig and I see absolutely no reason why scum wouldn't want to get ahead of the curve on that front because it's going to be narrowed down eventually. There are obvious benefits to doing it because people aren't going to look at the one who's starting the hunt, or maybe you know the scum vig gets caught eventually and you want to clam credit for "starting" it

Like it's an entire list of "why do I do these things as scum that have very little risk to me and make me look town"??? There's almost nothing that is actually meaningful for finding scum

[catboi]

also dats, ty for 4644 ... it was very helpful and i do think you're being kinda townie in that sense tbh

~
i think i'm looking at like ... catboi, mena, alyssa, maybe ss ?
i don't think andante, kaiji, or dats are scum

i think if andante is scum it opens up more worlds for possible scumteams but im also having a hard time wrapping my head around andante-scum

Lol okay

I spent most of day 2 wanting to vote mena only to get pushback from the rest of the thread on it, if I have a partner who's getting cleared by people in the thread I don't fuck it up by bussing for noreason and ou should

absolutely

know that

[catboi]

i'm interesting in finding the scum vig today now.

its a much tighter pool


and honestly i think her claim is complete bullshit


who the fuck chooses tracker for first pick


if they did choose that slot, its to deny the person below from getting it.


i dont see any town reason to do so

pony's game has been extremely weaksauce


and on a scum flip we can confidently clear the people she's been pushing(me, in particular kek) because she is extremely anti bus

I am very confused right now

[catboi]

no you're fine skitter, you're good. you're the 1 ray of happiness I'm getting right now

gritting my teeth rn

[catboi]

also andante just to be clear, catboi = gira if that helps you understand that slot better

YOOOO THAT'S WHO THAT IS??? lol no it doesn't help at all, but that's too funny

pony i LITERALLY TOLD YOU THIS IN THAT NEWBIE GAME

and then in the holiday dance party mafia chat you were like "yeah idk who that is I don't remember him at all"

[catboi]

I don't think it's outright impossible that Mare would simply forget to submit an action as mafia

But I also don't think she's scum with skitter

[Alyssa The Lamb]

okay

what scumteam would she be with that would allow her to forget about having a night action

[Datisi]

Datisi wondered if I forgot to actually neighborize

i had a fridge logic moment where i realized there actually is a very pro-town reason to lie about forgetting to use your action on n1 - and in that universe, mare would have been confirmed town to me

unfortunately, that's not what happened >_>

also, if any of y'all think i have a buddy of mine claim neighborizer (unprompted, doesn't have it) and then have another buddy claim they tried to get neighborizer and failed (while not knowing whether anyone tried to go for it) and then claim they hooded me... i wanna have what you're having

[Datisi]

there's a new hood for each night
(i.e. if mare neighborizes you tonight there'd be a seperate mare/kaiji hood, you wouldn't be added to the mare/dats one)

like deadass i wanna know what was going on through your brain at this moment because there's doing shit as scum just for doing shit and then there's literally throwing the game by fakeclaiming nai night actions that we can't back up for absolutely no reason

[Datisi]

when andante isn't posting, i talk myself into a townread of that slot, but when she starts posting, i wanna kill her again

however, i don't think skitt/andante are scum together - if skitt's scum, i think the "well why would pick n1 choose a jk/tracker slot as scum???" while completely forgetting that the last time she played in pyp, that is indeed what happened. felt like tmi'ing andante

yes i am still pocketed by catboi, why do you ask

[Datisi]

fucking hell, whatever coherent worldview i come up with, either it's two people that picked the same number or it's my tinfoil about [thing] being wrong

maybe it really is catboi/skitter/??? because nothing in this game is making sense rn

have those two even voted each other??? like at any point??? started building wagons on one another??? in contrast to how much shit they're spewing at each other???

and then one of s_s/alyssa, probably? s_s

[Datisi]

catboi confirmed neighborizer/voyeur was taken

there is part of me that is wondering if the hood actually exists

i just realized i quoted the wrong post in 4809, this is what i meant to quote

[skitter30]

@catboi, as i feel like i need to respond to what was said above

- although she's gotten good at, scum is still not skitter's preferred alignment. she prefers to keep her team with her rather than solo carry as she tends to lose energy in late game. "demotivated/not high energy is historically a scumtell for me" (i was aware of this)

Sorry, i said i would drop it but i dont get now you go from the quote to what u wrote above

You know that i flag and lose energy as scum .... whether or not i'm winning, there's only so long i can maintain 'good posting' as scum before i start spinning around in circles and hating literally every single time i need to post

It happened in slaughterhouse, where i was losing. It happened in deja vu, where i *winning* (most of my ranting that game happened, tbf, i believe in the hydra pt and not somewhere you were able to see, but iirc it was like 10 pages long and the latter half was just me like dying inside thinking abt needing to post and maintain that mess.)

I simply start to flag, and it takes more and more energy from me to continue posting. The fact that i'm winning is immaterial. This game is ridiculous, its dragging, and i would have lost the motivation to keep pretending to *care* as much as i do a very long time ago, that's just not really something i can fake. I would very, very, very badly want it to be over by now as scum, despite being apparently in a winning position

And i believe you *know* this ...

If i'm scum here i stop *trying* so hard (and quite simply, the game wouldnt need me too, so i wouldnt feel like i had to) ... but i'm town here and still think we're probably going to lose but i care more (or differently, at least), and still want to try to solve this utter mess in a way that i absolutely wouldnt be able to pretend to still as scum. Yes it would be great as scum if i can go around in circles and feel people out and so on but honestly it wouldnt be needed and its unlikely i keep dredging up the energy for that day after day after day after day

~
Unless you want to argue i'm scum with exactly andante, i'm baffled why i would nk midway instead of andante when i could have just flipped him and used the nk for like literally anybody else

This doesnt prove i'm town or anything but just like its a silly thing to do as scum when i could just, like, not

Its a silly way to expand the nk when i could get the exact same slot out via a flip ... there's no point nk'ing someone when they're flippable. I had at least two chances ro flip him, both day1 and day2 ...

[skitter30]

I spent most of day 2 wanting to vote mena only to get pushback from the rest of the thread on it, if I have a partner who's getting cleared by people in the thread I don't fuck it up by bussing for noreason and ou should absolutely know that

Uh ... where? You voted him twice but basically made no effort to flip or push him or to get other people to wagon him

This is a really really weak reason for me to think you're unaligned, there's like no oomph to ur mena push at all

[skitter30]

there's a new hood for each night
(i.e. if mare neighborizes you tonight there'd be a seperate mare/kaiji hood, you wouldn't be added to the mare/dats one)

like deadass i wanna know what was going on through your brain at this moment because there's doing shit as scum just for doing shit and then there's literally throwing the game by fakeclaiming nai night actions that we can't back up for absolutely no reason

Its not a very serious read, but a paranoid thought that i had that i'm aware is probably unlikely

[skitter30]

have those two even voted each other??? like at any point??? started building wagons on one another??? in contrast to how much shit they're spewing at each other???

I spent half of day2 voting him, yes
And i think i'm gonna vote him again now

VOTE: catboi

Why is he pocketing you / why are you townreading him?

[Datisi]

I spent half of day2 voting him, yes

this is a thing? that happened? cool
still potentially doesn't negate my point based on how hard were you actually pushing him but i'm not gonna pretend to be exerting too much effort right now

Why is he pocketing you / why are you townreading him?

his stuff on you felt like it ~made sense~
which i know is kind of a low bar for someone of his caliber but it made sense in a way that i wasn't sure he'd need to be faking and it was convincing, i guess? like i know you struggle to keep it up long-term as scum but i'm not sure if i'd characterize this game as "definitely unable to keep up", idk

[Datisi]

how cheeky would it be though if catboi is scum who deadass dropped the "scum might be dragging mena to yelo" line while he is scum who is dragging mena to yelo

[skitter30]

Yeah i'm aware that voting him isnt clearing, but i wanted to point out that that is a thing hat happened

And do u like townread him otherwise or u just like his case on me

And yes i also had the thought that he's dragging mena to elo while complaining that we couldnt possibky partner-read him with mena since he voted him like twice ... he actually has a really icky partner-y soet of post that does not Look Great in that context, which i shall quote in a sec

[skitter30]

I am insanely scared now that menalque is just the designated mislim that scum have been sparing for days to kill later and that was what drove the vote onto cakez yesterday but absolutely cannot justify him being anywhere near ELO the way things are going

Ah never mind, i remembered this being the other way around, so i'll take that back

[Datisi]

And do u like townread him otherwise

not really

[Andante]

aghhhh I'm at a loss, I genuinely don't know what I wanna do here. Like, we have people not even trying to towntell, at least 1 maf is hiding in them, and we have people who are active here. Dats/Skitter/catboi is giving me this like thought that 2 maf are there. just based on how yall are interacting

mare/ss/mena, I'd really love yalls thoughts on where maf is...

[catboi]

okay

what scumteam would she be with that would allow her to forget about having a night action

forget

to submit

an action, not forget

about having

a night action - having teammates doesn't matter if you have trouble figuring out a target and never submit one in time

I guess it sounds outlandish but given circumstances I don't think it' that far fetched, a lot of people put off decisions until the last minute and it wouldn't be out of line with, uh, how she's been this game. I just don't feel good clearing someone off of a night action thing like that

[Andante]

neighborizing people isn't hard to "forget" as maf... like, making a hood is not a top priority for maf.. and I'd agree, like, with how much she hasn't been around, definitely not a clearing thing...