Open 843 - Divide & Conquer - Game Over!

[Prism]

I'll be back to read after work. Any questions/dialogue are probably going to wait until after I finish my notes on both.

[innocentvillager]

I have been busy lately but also have just been trying to not stay playing/worry about mafiascum as frequently.

Esther clearly wants it today, I’ll give her that well done. I did not expect to lose in the wim battle.

I’ll post thoughts later when I squeak out a second because the idea of losing this 1v1 is really starting to piss me off.

[innocentvillager]

prism is obvtown and anyone who thinks he’s scum at this point is just bad

also what is so egregious about my quick check in last night? I’m clearly upset about how this is going, wouldn’t I be as either alignment?

[innocentvillager]

i think we should kill in group of 3 first

i get that killing the scum in the group of 6 is autowin but i feel it's just so unlikely

i feel like killing in group of 3 first is better because we are higher chance to hit scum earlier. we are guaranteed even we completely suck and kill two townies d1,d2 to kill scum at 2 v 3 then turns into a f3 elo. By that point we'll have associatives to look back on. We're basically guaranteed a flip if we focus our attention on the the g3.

If I don't correctly read IV this game I should probably end up BoP'd

VOTE: dwlee99

i feel as though killing in group of 6 is a waste of time and we are gambling too hard. if we hit town we are not much closer to solving that group. i think someone would need to be really scummy or the group of 3 would have to be really hard for us to not want to go group of 3.

VOTE: dunnstral

this point's already been litigated, but i think there's some detail missing

IV, why are you currently voting in the group of 6?

honestly i did forget i was voting dwlee who i think is town i blame pav's unreadable vc color (n.o seems like im the only one with this issue)

also idgaf about the group of 6/3 thing rly rn, i loosely prefer g3 because im in it but i don't want to get caught up in it anymore

doesnt even bother discussing his dunn vote lmao. i dont really buy "dgaf about the group of 6/3 thing" as an explanation, given earlier stronger phrases like "so unlikely" and "waste of time"; sure, i believe he didnt care in the sense that he didnt view it as worth arguing about, i believe that he didnt care in the sense that he'd vote six if the only viable wagon he liked was in the six. but neither of those things are relevant factors for these votes. this also ties in with my later/earlier (depending on where we're counting from, lmao) observation about his me/dunn solve -- which is the one place where his "someone would need to be really scummy" condition would actually kick in as a reason to vote six, but is the only place where he acted in accordance with his stated beliefs about voting three (when prompted lmao).

What the fuck how is even an argument?

[Prism]

The only person who even thinks I could be scum at this point is your CC.

Did anything about my recent posts strengthen this read for you and prompt this double-down?

[innocentvillager]

i legitimately have no idea what the accusation is here

I use my vote pretty jumpily and however i feel like. I didn’t explain the Dunnstral vote - okay how does that make me scum?? I later parked my vote on you. I don’t get it

[Prism]

We did in fact have the votes to flip you and you stopped posting.

It is nice that you are angry now, the next morning, but it also does not do a lot to inspire confidence given that I just keyed in on this as something to be wary of.

[innocentvillager]

i think tonally it’s very obvious you’re here to figure out this clusterfuck and are owning up to your shit todo tunnel yesterday. You stopped the almost lolhammer on dwlee when people were running that slot up (that reminds me to take a look at that again). Actually maybe this means dwlee is scum because scum!Esther prolly just hammers there but I’ll have to think a bit more. But as for you i don’t see what the scum motivation for you to do whatever you’re doing is.

I haven’t read all the noise in detail so I don’t know who exactly reads you which way but I did see some shade on you at one point.

I’ve played with town!you enough to know that this is the methodical and logical approach as town. I’ve called you for being obvtown before and was right every time and I thjnk I’m right again here, but honestly I don’t fucking know how much I trust that rn because I’m a little tilted.

that’s not even counting for the fact that there’s basically no way you and Esther fake that theatre bs about not knowing her alt or whatever

[Prism]

I do remember the post about the alt debate making me town.

It's unclear to me why you go to bat for me right now, though, when that topic of discussion isn't really even on the table.

[Prism]

Okay, thanks, will evaluate later.

[Prism]

You aren't wrong, if it helps.

[innocentvillager]

Cool I took some time off this site and suddenly I go from prolly town to scum?

Granted this isn’t the best example of my obvtown game (you would know if it was one!) but i doubt this what my scumgame looks like. I dont double down on this. If dwlee wasn’t my partner I prolly just hammer them too so sure maybe I’m scum with dwlee in some weird world. Actually no because if we’re scum we do way more theatre bullshit/distancing etc and this isn’t a plist who is familiar with how we play as scum together. I probably don’t put NS in my hood but idk what my hood criteria is as scum so lmao.

[innocentvillager]

We did in fact have the votes to flip you and you stopped posting.

It is nice that you are angry now, the next morning, but it also does not do a lot to inspire confidence given that I just keyed in on this as something to be wary of.

? you called my check in bad, I’m not sure what else you think you said

[innocentvillager]

ok I’m out. don’t hammer me while I’m gone I’ll get to this shit

[Prism]

I am describing why I found the check-in questionable.

I am sorry if I am currently wrong. I am the one most likely to hammer you and have made it clear I intend to take my time.

[Dwlee99]

Cool I took some time off this site and suddenly I go from prolly town to scum?

Granted this isn’t the best example of my obvtown game (you would know if it was one!) but i doubt this what my scumgame looks like. I dont double down on this. If dwlee wasn’t my partner I prolly just hammer them too so sure maybe I’m scum with dwlee in some weird world. Actually no because if we’re scum we do way more theatre bullshit/distancing etc and this isn’t a plist who is familiar with how we play as scum together. I probably don’t put NS in my hood but idk what my hood criteria is as scum so lmao.

Yea that's true. We'd be having so much fun lol

[Dwlee99]

https://forum.mafiascum.net/viewtopic.php?f=83&t=88294

Look at this game for a good laugh

[Brighter Puppy]

Sounds good that you’re getting tilted IV.
Maybe that means you’ll be more transparently easy to read as an result.

- Norwee

[Prism]

I am intentionally not going to do anything this (real-life) day. I am currently alive in another game.

If people would rather not wait on me we can just YOLO it, but I still prefer waiting until I can work back through, and I think we have time for that before deadline.

[Pavowski]

Official Vote Count 2.03

innocentvillager

(2): mc esther, Dunnstral

mc esther

(1): innocentvillager

Dunnstral

(1): Dwlee99

Dwlee99

(1): Save The Dragons

Not Voting

(2): Prism, Brighter Puppy



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Mod notes:

[Dwlee99]

We have plenty of time to wait.

[innocentvillager]

I am intentionally not going to do anything this (real-life) day. I am currently alive in another game.

If people would rather not wait on me we can just YOLO it, but I still prefer waiting until I can work back through, and I think we have time for that before deadline.

Okay why exactly do you want to hammer me again?

You said it yourself - my D1 was towny and probably just outside my scumrange. Why reverse that read just because of one random catchup I made? I don't just magically change alignments once I post a catchup less than 2 sentences.

[innocentvillager]

Sounds good that you’re getting tilted IV.
Maybe that means you’ll be more transparently easy to read as an result.

- Norwee

This post rubs me the wrong way from a out of game perspective, I think tilting people into alignment spewing is not really how we should be playing this game. But I feel hypocritical calling you out for this tbh because I have literally done the exact same thing to other people (pushed them to the point where they just started townspewing, partly on purpose to elicit some sort of emotional reaction). Nevertheless I don't think we should be glad that I got uber tilted there, and I've calmed down a bit since tbh.

[mc esther]

It's unclear to me why you go to bat for me right now, though, when that topic of discussion isn't really even on the table.

i stayed out of it at the time because i didnt want to step on your, i guess, interrogation (and also, i kinda think you were hinting at this anyway), but. i figure that inno's whole "prism is obviously town" thing is him piggybacking off my earlier scumread to try and make prism look worse post-flip.

[mc esther]

{prism} - Prism's confident bloodthirst for Todoroki yesterday was weird and putting him back at E1 was bad too. Yes it wasn't actually E1 but he thought it was functionally. im not gonna pretend to know prism meta inside and out but meta-wise everything else the slot has done seems tonally townie though. im not as confident here as puppy and it feels more likely he was just tunneled on todo.

prism is obvtown and anyone who thinks he’s scum at this point is just bad

did something change between these two statements? #781 doesnt read "obv to the point where literally nobody should consider the alternative" to me.