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[VP Baltar]

it often feels like he's talking about them and not at them, I guess?

I definitely think he is doing that here. Have you seen him as scum to know if he only does this as town?

[VP Baltar]

VD Basar

[VP Baltar]

it would invalidate their ego to admit some of their assumptions about the world are completely and dangerously wrong.

Lol oh shit.

Please protect me from myself daddy

[VP Baltar]

mischievous responding can invalidate the report.

Oh well then...

[VP Baltar]

Ok, I'm done talking about the survey now that my point has been proven.

I think frogster is in a best case scenario lying to himself about this, but I don't need to talk about it anymore to further judge where he is coming from on this.

[Datisi]

fun fact: i actually held a short seminar last year on the topic of the big five personality traits as a part of my finals. i am well aware what they are.

i see no point in taking the test because i don't think it will be a net-benefit to town. on the subject of reading my alignment - i would answer it the same way regardless if i was town or scum. i consider myself a good enough scum player that i don't need to fake or skew any parts of my personality in order to achieve something in-game, so it's pretty unlikely it will help you in that regard. and as for my temperament - why should i be giving you a roadmap on how to interact with me? if you are scum, it gives you a headstart if you know how to use the data i presented. in either case, it makes *you* more difficult to read for *me* because i'm now aware you will be using my responses when you speak to me, and i don't like seeing filtered thoughts like that.

the idea of knowing our temperaments so that we can potentially work together better is nice on paper, but i don't think it's that simple in practice. in order for it to work, i'd have to trust you're town (and i see no reason to right now), and even then it might mask important reactions.

[Reformed Toxic Player]

iv needs more votes

[Datisi]

VOTE: innocentvillager

[Aristeia]

VOTE: IV

[Reformed Toxic Player]

that was easy

[Frogsterking]

fun fact: i actually held a short seminar last year on the topic of the big five personality traits as a part of my finals. i am well aware what they are.

i see no point in taking the test because i don't think it will be a net-benefit to town. on the subject of reading my alignment - i would answer it the same way regardless if i was town or scum. i consider myself a good enough scum player that i don't need to fake or skew any parts of my personality in order to achieve something in-game, so it's pretty unlikely it will help you in that regard. and as for my temperament - why should i be giving you a roadmap on how to interact with me? if you are scum, it gives you a headstart if you know how to use the data i presented. in either case, it makes *you* more difficult to read for *me* because i'm now aware you will be using my responses when you speak to me, and i don't like seeing filtered thoughts like that.

the idea of knowing our temperaments so that we can potentially work together better is nice on paper, but i don't think it's that simple in practice. in order for it to work, i'd have to trust you're town (and i see no reason to right now), and even then it might mask important reactions.

I respect this line of thinking, and I think that choosing not to take the survey from an informed perspective is a response to the survey in and of itself which could be AI, like I think Something_Smart pointed out earlier.

My intuition tells me: that I could have entered a t v t death tunnel and that innocentvillager is a likely scum flip.

UNVOTE: VP For now, take a break, reset, come back later tonight with a fresh look.

[VP Baltar]

innocentvillager is a likely scum flip.

Would be interested to hear more specifics on your thought process here after your break.

My thought on IV: I don't hate the wagon composition on him right now necessarily. His absence this game so far is also notable. I usually find him a bit scummy early, so I am kind of reserved there, but his engagement is usually more. There isn't as much to work with here, and that is slightly concerning.

[skitter30]

Eh frog is probably town

why

Dont think scum cares that much abt this survey thing, i think he actually thinks it will be a helpful and useful way to sort the game

[skitter30]

Eh frog is probably town

Do you think VP Baltar and I are t v t?

If you had an argument before this i dont remember it, so i dont have a strong feeling on ur alignments as viewed through this pairing, if that makes sense

Remind me to reread the past couple of pages when i'm at a computer and i'll be able to give you a better answer

Fwiw independantly i think you're townie, vp is nullscum-pinging me but i wouldnt call him scum

[skitter30]

Ok really frog is town theyre just pushing silly strategy which isnt scummy just ambitious :3

This ^

[skitter30]

VOTE: iv

Plz note this is e2, if it goes higher soonish i will probably unvote to prevent a fast day

I'm somewhat suspicious of house, maybe vp but idk how to read him too

[Datisi]

I'm somewhat suspicious of house, maybe vp but idk how to read him too

spicy, tell me more?

[Almost50]

Not to vt tell but i realized that this game is actuslly even easier than i thought because PRs exist

What does this even mean???

As for the survey, I sure hope Mr Frog isn't counting on me to fill THAT out. I usually skim/skip wall posts, so I'm not about to not only read one, but actually respond to it. (Besides, it's been over 25 years since I last took an exam, and I dread reliving the memory).

[Frogsterking]

VOTE: iv

Plz note this is e2, if it goes higher soonish i will probably unvote to prevent a fast day

I'm somewhat suspicious of house, maybe vp but idk how to read him too

No skitter omg don't stop the thought train make it a vote train I was trying to stay away from the thread for a few more hours but I went for a walk and I couldn't stop drafting this great post in my head that scum cased house based on VP = VI in a tvt with me and house preferring to take VP with him to lylo over me but willing to hammer either so shading me but not committing either way, and house dropping a TMI with his weird read on innocentvillager (though I don't know if he's trying to get town cred by defending a lurker he knows is townie or trying to protect his scum buddy because i sr iv's apathy as well he said he joined because the playerlist was interesting so why isn't he more interested?).

I'm reading VP as a VI that is unusually toxic and almost unreadable as scum. I think he is most likely town in this game.

VOTE: house
I'm far from opposed to a iv execution but I think this is more devastating for scum team because house has influenced the game more and this could be their only shot at a deep scum.

I'm expecting house to role fish and my read is strong enough I'm willing to go through with the execution even without a counter claim, unlss a town win seems so likely it's not worth the small chance house is actually town and a pr.

My only caveat wth a house wagon is if it builds too quickly I'm not super sure about my 3rd FoS at this point in time, maybe Lap or Andre? I think D1 use is extremely important to town win rate.

My fantasy post started with a town case on Datisi and Something_Smart btw, with the caveat that there's a small chance Something_Smart may be opportunistic scum who seized the opportunity to pocket three townies at once. But this caveat is also advantageous because it also increases the chances IMO that VP is VI.

[Frogsterking]

Not to vt tell but i realized that this game is actuslly even easier than i thought because PRs exist

What does this even mean???

As for the survey, I sure hope Mr Frog isn't counting on me to fill THAT out. I usually skim/skip wall posts, so I'm not about to not only read one, but actually respond to it. (Besides, it's been over 25 years since I last took an exam, and I dread reliving the memory).

I would prefer if you did fill that out actually since you've barely posted and what you did post was super weird.

[skitter30]

I'm somewhat suspicious of house, maybe vp but idk how to read him too

spicy, tell me more?

R.e. house: i dont like feeling wk'd, i dont understand why he dislikes frog, and i dont understand his readshift on you

Pedit ok one sec i need to like read and process fhat

[Frogsterking]

I'm somewhat suspicious of house, maybe vp but idk how to read him too

spicy, tell me more?

R.e. house: i dont like feeling wk'd,

i dont understand why he dislikes frog,

and i dont understand his readshift on you

Pedit ok one sec i need to like read and process fhat

Omg yeah! I've felt like when I get stuck in a death tunnel it seems like players that are super closed to my POV are more likely to flip scum.

[skitter30]

Ok i'm not quite up to voting house, but i do wonder if he is taking advantage of a you/vp tvt

I wouldnt really call vp a vi, tbh, but he is being somewhat aggressive, but i wouldnt really call that scum-indicative for him

Vp i sort of felt had a Strong Opinion on the survey and the efficacy of it, which prompted his fight with u, but i'm not sure house has opinions nearly as strong so much as popping in at the edge of the fight to throw some shade

[Almost50]

(most town)
Something_Smart
OutWorldER
Almost50, Andresvmb, Aristeia, Datisi, Frogsterking, House, innocentvillager, Laplacian, Reformed Toxic Player, skitter30, VP Baltar (tie)
(most mafia)

This is a wild reads list.

Tell me more about skitter, laplacian, RTP and andres please

May I ask why these specific four? I mean, his read basically says he TRs OutWorlderER and has no read on anyone else, and I thought that would be more worthy to question.

[Frogsterking]

I'm somewhat suspicious of house, maybe vp but idk how to read him too

spicy, tell me more?

R.e. house: i dont like feeling wk'd,

i dont understand why he dislikes frog,

and i dont understand his readshift on you

Pedit ok one sec i need to like read and process fhat

Omg yeah! I've felt like when I get stuck in a death tunnel it seems like players that are super closed to my POV are more likely to flip scum.

Also what does "wk'd" mean? I saw you use it earlir in this game and I tried to look up what it meant and all I found was "wanked" on urban dictionary.